Coronavirus (Santa Clara, Chico, August: live, vs, safe)

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by joosoon

This is from the 17 page report on the data:

"Given the likelihood that SARS-CoV-2 will remain a threat for years if not decades, we urgently need to develop public health measures that would be embraced by the public and could be sustainably implemented in the long-term to protect people from re-infection. Pharmaceutical interventions to lessen both the risk of reinfection and its adverse health consequences are also urgently needed."

So what does that mean in practice? It's useless to point out a problem and not have any ideas for solutions.

Measures to prevent infection have been stated over and over and over again. Many people are sick of the pandemic, and don't want to follow them. As far as pharmaceutical interventions, they're working on nasal sprays, etc. The solutions aren't going to happen overnight.

"High-risk people have treatment options, he says, but moderate-risk people who don’t quite qualify for existing treatments are left fearing for their safety. “There is a need there,” he says. Such treatments could reduce the disruption that even mild cases can inflict on people’s jobs and family lives.

Political hurdles and recruitment issues have dissuaded some researchers from shifting their focus away from severe disease, but others are pushing ahead. “This could still be really important — to look at decreasing time spent ill,” says Susanna Naggie, an infectious-disease clinician at Duke University School of Medicine in Durham, North Carolina."

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01923-5

[jbgusa]

Originally Posted by joosoon

That article is based on the same study in the other one you posted.
Once again, the purpose of the study was to develop long-term strategies. This is from the 17 page report on the data:


"Given the likelihood that SARS-CoV-2 will remain a threat for years if not decades, we urgently need to develop public health measures that would be embraced by the public and could be sustainably implemented in the long-term to protect people from re-infection. Pharmaceutical interventions to lessen both the risk of reinfection and its adverse health consequences are also urgently needed."

So what does that mean in practice? It's useless to point out a problem and not have any ideas for solutions.

You could apply that to "climate change" as well.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by njbiodude

There was absolutely death in nursing homes in Sweden. Average time left in people's lifetimes was 5-9 months for those that died.

Nice article but as hard as the Swedish Government tried even they couldn't put lipstick on this pig. This is what I was talking about, and my relatives said that the elderly were not 'asked' if they wanted morphine, it was administered if they had trouble breathing. Part of the problem was that Sweden uses a lot of foreign workers to staff nursing homes and most of them had no idea how to operate a breathing machine, so rather than get techs in the hospitals to teach them they just went ahead and euthanized the seriously ill covid patients.

Nursing homes are offering morphine to elder COVID-19 patients instead of admitting them to hospitals and providing ventilators, one care worker has said, noting that such treatment results in a painful death. Latifa Löfvenberg, who worked in one of the country's many nursing homes, told BBC reporter Jon Tallinger in a Youtube program that elder patients in a nursing home in the Gävleborg region suffering from COVID-19 were left to die in agony since they were not provided with ventilators.
https://www.dailysabah.com/world/eur...re-worker-says

In elderly homes, in principle, only palliative care has been prescribed, which means that you get morphine, midazolam and haldol to prevent being nauseated and vomited by morphine. It is a treatment that almost almost 100 percent certainly leads to death. Giving both midazolam and morphine inhibits breathing. If you have trouble breathing, you quickly get such an oxygen deficiency that you die. https://mercatornet.com/did-covid-19...-sweden/63962/

[njbiodude]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Nice article but as hard as the Swedish Government tried even they couldn't put lipstick on this pig. This is what I was talking about, and my relatives said that the elderly were not 'asked' if they wanted morphine, it was administered if they had trouble breathing. Part of the problem was that Sweden uses a lot of foreign workers to staff nursing homes and most of them had no idea how to operate a breathing machine, so rather than get techs in the hospitals to teach them they just went ahead and euthanized the seriously ill covid patients.

Remember when NY and NJ hospitals were putting everyone on ventilators and they found it actually killed more people than it was necessary? Or when they put all the Covid positive patients in those states in nursing homes to "make room" for other Covid patients.

A lot of mistakes were made in April 2020, but Sweden wasn't particularly unusual. The US, and the rest of Europe had their own methods of assumed euthanasia. Sweden did change their nursing home protocols too. What matters is how remarkably well Sweden did compared to the rest of the world 2.5 years later.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by njbiodude

Remember when NY and NJ hospitals were putting everyone on ventilators and they found it actually killed more people than it was necessary? Or when they put all the Covid positive patients in those states in nursing homes to "make room" for other Covid patients.

A lot of mistakes were made in April 2020, but Sweden wasn't particularly unusual. The US, and the rest of Europe had their own methods of assumed euthanasia. Sweden did change their nursing home protocols too. What matters is how remarkably well Sweden did compared to the rest of the world 2.5 years later.

Oh really.... tell me about the US method of Euthanasia? Sometimes it's better to just let an argument go rather than to make claims that you can't support. According to most people who have studied the issue Sweden did not do well at all:

"In late December 2020, Sweden was recording an average of 44 COVID-19 deaths per 1 million people, according to Our World in Data. By comparison, Denmark was recording 5 deaths per 1 million, Norway was recording 0.5 deaths per 1 million and Finland was recording 0.3 deaths per 1 million, the data shows.
One month earlier, a report from the Swedish Inspectorate of Health and Social Services found half the country's deaths at the time were among nursing home residents."
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/scathi...ry?id=83644832

[stablegenius]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Oh really.... tell me about the US method of Euthanasia? Sometimes it's better to just let an argument go rather than to make claims that you can't support. According to most people who have studied the issue Sweden did not do well at all:

He just did, right here: Remember when NY and NJ hospitals were putting everyone on ventilators and they found it actually killed more people than it was necessary? Or when they put all the Covid positive patients in those states in nursing homes to "make room" for other Covid patients.

[njbiodude]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Oh really.... tell me about the US method of Euthanasia? Sometimes it's better to just let an argument go rather than to make claims that you can't support. According to most people who have studied the issue Sweden did not do well at all:

NJ and NY threw all the covid positive patients back into nursing homes in April 2020 to make room for people they deemed more likely to survive in hospitals. They were very aware that putting infectious people back into congregate home settings would lead to a lot of deaths and infect all the other residents but they deemed it necessary based on incorrect computer models from Imperial College of London and others. There was a nursing home near a family member in NJ that literally tried to hide 40 dead bodies in a closet or something but got busted by the authorities. For a while NJ had the highest death rate per capita in the world due to this protocol.

All this "euthanizing" of care home people was clearly shown to be incorrect. When NYCs overflow hospitals were never even used it became apparent that was the wrong call and that they did in fact have the ability to care for both nursing home patients and younger patients as well. Most places (Sweden included) subsequently set up frequent Covid testing for visitiors and staff at nursing homes to try to keep people safer.

[jbgusa]

Originally Posted by njbiodude

NJ and NY threw all the covid positive patients back into nursing homes in April 2020 to make room for people they deemed more likely to survive in hospitals. They were very aware that putting infectious people back into congregate home settings would lead to a lot of deaths and infect all the other residents but they deemed it necessary based on incorrect computer models from Imperial College of London and others. There was a nursing home near a family member in NJ that literally tried to hide 40 dead bodies in a closet or something but got busted by the authorities. For a while NJ had the highest death rate per capita in the world due to this protocol.

All this "euthanizing" of care home people was clearly shown to be incorrect. When NYCs overflow hospitals were never even used it became apparent that was the wrong call and that they did in fact have the ability to care for both nursing home patients and younger patients as well. Most places (Sweden included) subsequently set up frequent Covid testing for visitiors and staff at nursing homes to try to keep people safer.

I personally think the motive was to inflate the number of fatalities, to increase morbidity, for political and aid-gathering purposes. I think Cuomo, Wolf and the like sought and obtained a higher death count.

[NORTY FLATZ]

Our numbers for COVID (where I work) are 1/4th what they were last Monday...

So either they died, or there wasn't much in the way of infection...

[goodheathen]

Originally Posted by jbgusa

I personally think the motive was to inflate the number of fatalities, to increase morbidity, for political and aid-gathering purposes. I think Cuomo, Wolf and the like sought and obtained a higher death count.

Well, you suggest you're from New York and should re-think your beliefs in general. Cuomo first began getting in trouble by trying to cover up nursing-home deaths.