Coronavirus (Fresno: casino, health, park)

[JGC97]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

1) That's a credible Canadian website.

Yeah, and the data is about Canada, not the U.S. Stick with the U.S. information. What happens in Canada doesn't apply to us.

[goodheathen]

Canada is our neighbor and has a similar COVID-19 situation. Of course it's relevant, especially to northern California. Plus, as I said, I didn't go looking for the article nor am focusing on country-specific data. Back off now.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by njbiodude

The Hill is "bad" but some shady 3rd rate Canadian news site is newsworthy

But making references to UK news is okay?

Originally Posted by njbiodude

Johns Hopkins Study?

A recent one from the UK government?

I've already linked them multiple times in earlier posts, I won't do it again.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by njbiodude

And Los Angeles county considers deaths within 90 days of testing positive a "covid death" hence the fact that their mortality count is 2x the CDCs...

From your link:

"Suspected cases are not counted towards a facility's COVID-19 death count until investigated and determined to be a COVID-19 associated death.

COVID-19 associated deaths must be reported by healthcare providers within 24 hours by:
Completing the Respiratory Virus Death Report Web form...", etc.
http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/acd...ReportForm.pdf

[JGC97]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

Canada is our neighbor and has a similar COVID-19 situation. Of course it's relevant, especially to northern California. Plus, as I said, I didn't go looking for the article nor am focusing on country-specific data. Back off now.

Doesn't matter if they're our neighbor or not. What happens there is still different than what we experience. And I'll back off when you do. You're not the boss of me.

[goodheathen]

Some people call Canada the 51st state, and it's probably more similar to the 50 states than our territory Puerto Rico is. There should be no policing of credible news from foreign countries not very different from the USA. Canada, for example, in theory could experience a lethal variant that has yet to enter the USA.

[njbiodude]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

1) That's a credible Canadian website.
2) "Reported COVID-19 deaths around the globe have increased by 35 per cent over the past four weeks, the World Health Organization said Wednesday" - the key point isn't about Canada.
3) I'm not some of you. I didn't go looking for that, rarely go looking for articles to post per some agenda, and very rarely post opinion pieces (one side leans toward opinions because facts don't support not taking the virus seriously).

That's a shady liberal Canadian news site with government ties. The Hill is a centrist publication similar in bias to Newsweek and the Wall Street Journal. I don't care that it's Canadian but I think it's funny your calling one of the least biased media sources in the US "total garbage" and then responding with a left wing foreign news source with far fewer readers and asserting it as fact.

[njbiodude]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

From your link:

"Suspected cases are not counted towards a facility's COVID-19 death count until investigated and determined to be a COVID-19 associated death.

COVID-19 associated deaths must be reported by healthcare providers within 24 hours by:
Completing the Respiratory Virus Death Report Web form...", etc.
http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/acd...ReportForm.pdf

I never claimed they were automatically counting suspected cases. But their 90 day window is over 3 times as long as the CDC.

As we've already established 95% of Covid deaths aren't due to Covid alone and determining the cause of death can be somewhat tricky. A 94 year old hospitalized cancer patient that got Covid and remained bed bound and died 89 days later would be a Covid death in LA county and not per the CDC which (at least used to) had a window of 28 days.

The fact that they're reporting literally double the Covid deaths bases on their rogue methodology that noone else uses makes a lot of the reporting suspect for California's largest county. The only thing that remains reliable with such discrepancies is total deaths and overall excess deaths.

[suzy_q2010]

Originally Posted by njbiodude

I never claimed they were automatically counting suspected cases. But their 90 day window is over 3 times as long as the CDC.

As we've already established 95% of Covid deaths aren't due to Covid alone and determining the cause of death can be somewhat tricky. A 94 year old hospitalized cancer patient that got Covid and remained bed bound and died 89 days later would be a Covid death in LA county and not per the CDC which (at least used to) had a window of 28 days.

The fact that they're reporting literally double the Covid deaths bases on their rogue methodology that noone else uses makes a lot of the reporting suspect for California's largest county. The only thing that remains reliable with such discrepancies is total deaths and overall excess deaths.

No, you have not established that 95% of covid deaths aren't due to covid alone. Even if they had comorbidities the cause of death was still covid.

Plenty of people have died from covid after being on ventilators for over 28 days.

Cancer patients often have causes of death that are not directly due to their cancers. Infections are common such causes.

[goodheathen]

Originally Posted by njbiodude

That's a shady liberal Canadian news site with government ties. The Hill is a centrist publication similar in bias to Newsweek and the Wall Street Journal. I don't care that it's Canadian but I think it's funny your calling one of the least biased media sources in the US "total garbage" and then responding with a left wing foreign news source with far fewer readers and asserting it as fact.

I called the opinion piece "garbage."

I don't see anything "shady" or government-linked about the Canadian news site, but even if it is, the article on its own is a simple report of facts. I read some right-leaning sites (as an anti-Mexico non-liberal), but because they've gone nuts into insisting things are normal/very livable again, I don't see them publishing fairly objective news reports that I might then share.

Who else is tired of posters gone into right-wing 'scamdemic' territory? I just want things genuinely close to normal and low-risk again.