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Old 07-03-2020, 02:50 PM
 
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Well thank God the governors winery is allowed to remain open. Funny how that works I’m sure lots of restaurants going under wish they were on that list. Very nice website they have stating it’s by appointment but not stating how many appointments they’re accommodating.
I never said it was a scandal I just think many people on here are total hypocrites
He does not own a winery, he owns stock in Plumpjack and since the end of 2018 his stock has been in a blind trust. You sure waste a lot of energy attacking Newsom only to be proven wrong time after time, don't you get tired of that?

 
Old 07-03-2020, 02:59 PM
 
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This is such BS. You can't pretend that Napa wineries aren't attracting travelers from high-COVID areas and spreading the virus. I think Newsome has done a decent job of handling the virus. I think Cox would have basically buddied up to Trump and shrugged as we all got sick (and some died).

But don't kid yourself that he's not one of the elites, "managing" us stupid proles. If he had a shred of integrity, he would have kept the beaches open, closed his own winery to set a positive example, and told people to stay outdoors to help limit the spread. He would also fully cop to the fact that we are heading down the herd immunity path and we're not closing yoga studios or imposing Chinese-style lockdowns because it's too late to get ahead of this virus, and he knows Americans won't stand for the shutdowns that have been more successful in countries with stronger social fabric.
I have no idea what point you are trying to make here? All Napa wineries are open (if they choose to be) Plumpjack has wineries in Lodi and Napa, the Lodi winery is closed, the Napa winery is open to private parties who make an advance reservation. I think what you are missing is that people who go to Napa and pay more for a little taste of wine than I do for a whole bottle usually are well educated, they are probably the least likely to take risks with their health and the most likely to wear masks and social distance. PS Newsom does not own a winery, he owns stock in one and he placed all of his stock in a blind trust in late 2018.

And you have NO idea if we will ever achieve herd immunity, there is evidence that immunity only lasts for two or three months.
 
Old 07-03-2020, 03:09 PM
 
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And you have NO idea if we will ever achieve herd immunity, there is evidence that immunity only lasts for two or three months.
No, there is some evidence that antibodies start to fade after a few months, but mounting evidence that T-cells remain. And also that many people are virtually immune to Covid-19 because they already have T-cells from previous coronavirus infections.

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“One reason that a large chunk of the population may be able to deal with the virus is that we may have some small residual immunity from our exposure to common cold viruses,” says viral immunologist Steven Varga of the University of Iowa.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...-term-immunity
 
Old 07-03-2020, 03:27 PM
 
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No, there is some evidence that antibodies start to fade after a few months, but mounting evidence that T-cells remain. And also that many people are virtually immune to Covid-19 because they already have T-cells from previous coronavirus infections.



https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...-term-immunity
Quote: Although the studies don’t clarify whether people who clear a SARS-CoV-2 infection can ward off the virus in the future, both identified strong T cell responses to it, which “bodes well for the development of long-term protective immunity,” Rasmussen says. The findings could also help researchers create better vaccines.


No one knows yet, but many who have had the virus still suffer from problems caused by it and it is unknown if they can avoid getting it again. Pushing Herd immunity right now is not wise at all.
 
Old 07-03-2020, 03:30 PM
 
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No, there is some evidence that antibodies start to fade after a few months, but mounting evidence that T-cells remain. And also that many people are virtually immune to Covid-19 because they already have T-cells from previous coronavirus infections.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...-term-immunity
That's good info, thank you
 
Old 07-03-2020, 03:33 PM
 
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Quote: Although the studies don’t clarify whether people who clear a SARS-CoV-2 infection can ward off the virus in the future, both identified strong T cell responses to it, which “bodes well for the development of long-term protective immunity,” Rasmussen says. The findings could also help researchers create better vaccines.


No one knows yet, but many who have had the virus still suffer from problems caused by it and it is unknown if they can avoid getting it again. Pushing Herd immunity right now is not wise at all.
Interesting...my doctor who is from Taiwan said that we shouldn't consider this virus as harmless, even for healthy people because we don't know if there will be repercussions 6 months or 60 years from now. She mentioned Shingles occurring sometimes 50-60 years after a person recovered from Chicken Pox and suggested that as bizarre as this virus it would not surprise her to see people exposed even those who were asymptomatic become ill later on with a condition that we don't even know about right now.
 
Old 07-03-2020, 05:38 PM
 
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And you have NO idea if we will ever achieve herd immunity, there is evidence that immunity only lasts for two or three months.
In less than 40% of asymptomatic and 13% of symptomatic cases. Also, antibodies fall off, doesn't mean that immunity is gone.

But we do lose immunity to other human coronaviruses, over the course of a year or so. So we will probably lose immunity to COVID-19, and the virus will be with us forever, or--if we're VERY lucky--if a working vaccine can be created in a few years.

All that's beside the point. Opening/leaving open ANYTHING with this level of community spread just means we are heading toward herd immunity. We didn't take a serious shot at lockdown, even in the first go-round. Now the virus is so widespread that the pittances Newsom is ordering are simply political ploys rather than any serious attempt to bring the virus under control.
 
Old 07-03-2020, 09:15 PM
 
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All that's beside the point. Opening/leaving open ANYTHING with this level of community spread just means we are heading toward herd immunity. We didn't take a serious shot at lockdown, even in the first go-round. Now the virus is so widespread that the pittances Newsom is ordering are simply political ploys rather than any serious attempt to bring the virus under control.
Herd immunity is a hope for some, but no real evidence yet. Kinda like the Black plague which killed between 30 to 60% of the European population. If that occurred now, the world would collapse. Starvation would be common and killing by people to survive would also occur. Money would mean very little. Guns maybe a lot more.



Now maybe it will not happen, but .... wanna take a chance?
 
Old 07-03-2020, 10:14 PM
 
Location: San Diego Native
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The missing health piece of the puzzle probably is talking. Sunlight and moving around can lower risk from some infected people in crowds, but when there is much talking (or singing), there are more droplets. Beaches, daylight concerts, etc. therefore are significantly riskier than protests, popular bars the riskiest of all.

People don't talk, chant and yell at protests???
All these cause and effect claims are dubious enough as is. It only becomes worse when inconsistent reasoning --like outdoor protests differ from sunbathing at the beach-- is thrown into the mix. How anyone isn't seeing this discrepancy in the logic is baffling to me.
 
Old 07-03-2020, 10:59 PM
 
Location: Ca expat loving Idaho
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He does not own a winery, he owns stock in Plumpjack and since the end of 2018 his stock has been in a blind trust. You sure waste a lot of energy attacking Newsom only to be proven wrong time after time, don't you get tired of that?
What I am tired of is your superior condescending basic answer you always repeat when your backed into a corner. Don’t worry your hero will come out on top while Rome burns ... he always does
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