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Old 07-09-2020, 12:41 PM
 
Location: San Diego Native
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Companies are taking a hard stand on this issue, too. With so many people filming those who choose not to or rather refuse to wear a mask, it's costing them their job. Not funny business here. This is serious. As this guy in Florida found out ....

https://www.yahoo.com/news/feel-thre...165515391.html

As a condition of reopening/remaining open, larger businesses should have to hire an independent security guard to enforce any mask orders. We're already seeing hapless employees get beaten up over having that job foisted upon them.

 
Old 07-09-2020, 12:45 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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As a condition of reopening/remaining open, larger businesses should have to hire an independent security guard to enforce any mask orders. We're already seeing hapless employees get beaten up over having that job foisted upon them.

You think that it's security guard job to take a beating?
 
Old 07-09-2020, 12:46 PM
 
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The reason for the former is the latter.
Without injury-in-fact, there's no standing to sue. Without police arresting people for gathering in the privacy of their homes, and without DAs willing to prosecute those crimes, there's no tangible damage to potential plaintiffs nor relief to be sought.


However, in the Michigan gym case, the judge did issue a decision that the ban was arbitrary since the state didn't show evidence that a gym (ordered to remain closed) is demonstrably different than other indoor businesses which were allowed to reopen. If this situation drags on indefinitely in the U.S., expect more of the same.
I never suggested arresting people for in and of itself gathering privately. (If I ever suggest that, then I've earned some insults.) Detaining and fining for large gatherings should be deterrent enough. Even if fines later are tossed out by the courts (on behalf of a litigant who isn't embarrassed about reckless behavior). This is an emergency; heavy-handedness works at least in the short term.
 
Old 07-09-2020, 01:40 PM
 
Location: So Ca
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Here’s a link of deaths by demographics and co-morbidities. It appears out of the 113k deaths, that 80% are still 65+.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...ekly/index.htm
Isn't that the U.S., though? I don't see any breakdown of age for California deaths as a result ofCOVID, which is what the article I posted was referencing.
 
Old 07-09-2020, 01:59 PM
 
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Isn't that the U.S., though? I don't see any breakdown of age for California deaths as a result ofCOVID, which is what the article I posted was referencing.
6 weeks ago, average age at death in Los Angeles, which arguably is still the epicenter, was under 60, if I remember correctly; and I don't think the mortality age is increasing anywhere, with the age of infected people continually going down.
 
Old 07-09-2020, 03:09 PM
 
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I'm not going to try to dig up old data from a Los Angeles thread. Also, I said average age, not median age. If that's misleading, that's what I saw, and just as misleading is the distribution for 2020, when the last few months matter most. I blame the authorities, for not sharing the breakdown of the data (though some cases are hard to categorize like Nick Cordero's, where death was months after infection). Hence, my disinterest in trying to prove things with data.

To address the schools issue, regardless of what's said on the news, the concern is obvious, that infections among children will become so common that they'll be forced to quarantine at home (with parents who might otherwise have gone to work), after they spread it to teachers, some of whom are vulnerable. (In fact, some are retiring due to fear of that.) Then at home, they'll spread it family members. It's a disaster waiting to happen, just like reopening bars. It shouldn't be, but too many adults have been unwilling to wear masks and socialize as little as possible with non-household members.
 
Old 07-09-2020, 04:09 PM
 
Location: So Ca
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6 weeks ago, average age at death in Los Angeles, which arguably is still the epicenter, was under 60, if I remember correctly; and I don't think the mortality age is increasing anywhere, with the age of infected people continually going down.
The article I was referring to (which I posted) was about the recent surge in California deaths. To my knowledge, there are no breakdowns by age other than for cumulative deaths.
 
Old 07-09-2020, 04:13 PM
 
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I'm not going to try to dig up old data from a Los Angeles thread. Also, I said average age, not median age. If that's misleading, that's what I saw, and just as misleading is the distribution for 2020, when the last few months matter most. I blame the authorities, for not sharing the breakdown of the data (though some cases are hard to categorize like Nick Cordero's, where death was months after infection). Hence, my disinterest in trying to prove things with data.

To address the schools issue, regardless of what's said on the news, the concern is obvious, that infections among children will become so common that they'll be forced to quarantine at home (with parents who might otherwise have gone to work), after they spread it to teachers, some of whom are vulnerable. (In fact, some are retiring due to fear of that.) Then at home, they'll spread it family members. It's a disaster waiting to happen, just like reopening bars. It shouldn't be, but too many adults have been unwilling to wear masks and socialize as little as possible with non-household members.
And yet, this didn't happen in Europe when their schools reopened while community spread was still underway.

Either:
- In-school precautions can work
- Children are less of a vector than adults (they clearly can contract the disease from adults, but there is some evidence that younger children can't spread it to adults or each other)

Or some combination of the two.

Of course, there was the camp for teens in Arkansas which had 80-something cases. They need to trace that and see if the origin was the teens, or a superspreading adult camp counselor.
 
Old 07-09-2020, 04:15 PM
 
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The CDPH page? I'm 99% sure that's for the year. There haven't been many deaths this month.
 
Old 07-09-2020, 04:24 PM
 
Location: So Ca
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The CDPH page? I'm 99% sure that's for the year. There haven't been many deaths this month.
You don't quote the person you're addressing, so it's hard to tell what you're referring to.

There were 149 Covid deaths in California on Wednesday--the highest daily death toll here since mid-May, according to the same article--and there were 116 the day before.
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