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Old 10-12-2020, 06:34 PM
 
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I never suggested opening up with few or no restrictions or doing away with mask wearing/social distancing. Not sure why you automatically go to the other extreme.

His approach is better now but the criteria is still too strict. The “equity measure” thing is such BS pandering too. And it’s not just him either, I’m really irritated with the reluctance of many school districts against reopening in person learning for younger children.
Yeah, I don’t get why it seems to be all or nothing. The lockdowns were supposed to keep the hospitals from being overwhelmed, not completely eliminate the virus.

You stop the lockdowns but keep the masks, do other things. Check temperatures before people go into a business. I’ve had it done to me several times, it’s fast, no big deal. But you don’t keep everything locked down, ease up and then lock it down again. The “dimmer switch” is idiotic.

We have a number of restaurants here that have said if they get locked down again, they won’t come back, so they refuse. I go to those restaurants as often as I can and I’ll continue to support them.

Newsom did a good job at the beginning, but he’s horrible now. He’s proven to be much, much worse than Trump. He’ll just keep adding new restrictions as long as he can. The “equity measure” is a freaking joke.

 
Old 10-12-2020, 06:36 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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Old 10-12-2020, 06:38 PM
 
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I just said I think the criteria is too strict. Not just for cases but also what is allowed to open and how much.

Well here in the Bay Area people are pretty good about masks and we are still under some of the nation's tightest restrictions probably. Places like Alameda and Santa Clara Counties still don't allow some places to reopen when they move into a lower tier. It's ridiculous and unnecessary. Stop doing dumb, nonsensical crap like closing beaches during a heatwave. CA has some of the tightest restrictions this entire time in the nation and we are kind of middle of the pack when it comes to case rates.

Part of your and others problem it appears is you only look at this through partisan eyes. Your red state comment pretty much exemplifies that. It's like we HAVE to do the opposite of what "red states" do.
But, opening up those places is going to cause a significant rise in cases. How do you plan to manage this? And I agree that in the Bay Area, you have a higher % of people following CDC guidelines than elsewhere. However, there are still a sizeable percentage who do not. So, you still didn't answer the question on how we solve for this. All you addressed is that you think more openings should be allowed, but didn't address how to control COVID during this.

And my comments are not purely partisan. I have co-workers in different countries, many of which have handled COVID much better than the US (Asian countries). I talk with them regularly and they tell me that if you don't wear a mask in public, you can get arrested. A friend of mine in Thailand has told me that with these strict measures, they've virtually eliminated the spread in many parts of the country, to the point where you can now travel without a mask. So, that's what I base how we should handle COVID (not that I believe in the slightest that we have the political will in this country to follow those procedures). I don't think California is a model for the world on how to handle the virus, although we're doing a better job than many parts of this country.
 
Old 10-12-2020, 06:45 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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But, opening up those places is going to cause a significant rise in cases. How do you plan to manage this? And I agree that in the Bay Area, you have a higher % of people following CDC guidelines than elsewhere. However, there are still a sizeable percentage who do not. So, you still didn't answer the question on how we solve for this. All you addressed is that you think more openings should be allowed, but didn't address how to control COVID during this.

And my comments are not purely partisan. I have co-workers in different countries, many of which have handled COVID much better than the US (Asian countries). I talk with them regularly and they tell me that if you don't wear a mask in public, you can get arrested. A friend of mine in Thailand has told me that with these strict measures, they've virtually eliminated the spread in many parts of the country, to the point where you can now travel without a mask. So, that's what I base how we should handle COVID (not that I believe in the slightest that we have the political will in this country to follow those procedures). I don't think California is a model for the world on how to handle the virus, although we're doing a better job than many parts of this country.

So you want to take away all freedom and start arresting people? Do you understand how absurd that sounds? We do not live in socialist country, CDC recommendations do not mean anything, they just that recommendations. Also anyone that want to wear a mask is welcome to do it, no one is stopping them from doing that. At the same time the goal was to reduce transmission of Covid so as to keep hospitals from being overwhelmed. We are not eve close to hospitals being full and have much better medicine now to control this virus. What governor is doing is pushing socialism over business by controlling them to the max.
 
Old 10-12-2020, 06:48 PM
 
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So you want to take away all freedom and start arresting people? Do you understand how absurd that sounds? We do not live in socialist country, CDC recommendations do not mean anything, they just that recommendations. Also anyone that want to wear a mask is welcome to do it, no one is stopping them from doing that. At the same time the goal was to reduce transmission of Covid so as to keep hospitals from being overwhelmed. We are not eve close to hospitals being full and have much better medicine now to control this virus. What governor is doing is pushing socialism over business by controlling them to the max.
I'll gladly do this to create a safer environment for all of us. But, too many rebels like you aren't willing to make any small sacrifices, which will lead to much more suffering and prolonged economic agony with COVID.
 
Old 10-12-2020, 06:51 PM
 
Location: San Diego Native
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In order to reopen schools teachers need to feel safe or they won't return to the classroom, and before kids can return to school the parents have to believe their kids are safe.

San Diego Unified is finally moving into what they've dubbed "phase one" reopening which is essentially in-person class time for select students. It's basically voluntary for the teachers and it's by invitation to the students. It maximizes choice on both ends of the equation, both for staff and for students/parents.



More importantly, most people realize that in order to get to phase two, this preliminary step has to be successful and it's that goal which is driving those open-ended policies above. It's a good way to start since nobody is being forced to do anything.
 
Old 10-12-2020, 06:59 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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I'll gladly do this to create a safer environment for all of us. But, too many rebels like you aren't willing to make any small sacrifices, which will lead to much more suffering and prolonged economic agony with COVID.
Government is releasing prisoners because of "covid" and you want to start arresting people that refuse to wear mask. Where exactly do you want to place them? You don't seem to understand how unrealistic that wish is. We are not Asian country, we do not do what government tells us to do just because, we will make our own decision on how to best protect our self and our family/friends.
 
Old 10-12-2020, 07:05 PM
 
Location: West Los Angeles and Rancho Palos Verdes
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Pre-existing condition should not matter, i read here many times that as long as you wear a mask you will be fine.
I do not know who stated that here, but it was not me, and I doubt anybody else who is a member of the scientific community stated that here.
 
Old 10-12-2020, 07:07 PM
 
Location: San Diego Native
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Honestly, if 90% of people would actually wear masks religiously when around others and practice social distancing, we really could get the cases under control and it would only take 6-8 weeks for us to get to the point where it would be safe to reopen everything.

I'm not convinced that's the only thing we'd need to do.
In parts of the world where they were wildly successful, they locked down entire communities to break the chain of transmission. It's not just "freedom" that makes that harder to accomplish here, it's that so much of our lifestyle necessitates people being in transit. A real shut down here would mean basic services would come to a screeching halt. Store shelves would go empty, the lights would go out, water wouldn't flow and trash would pile up in the streets. The state was too loose with the definition of essential services in the beginning but even if it had been applied more strictly, we still couldn't pull off what they did in smaller countries.



Besides all that, people who religiously wear masks and abide by the protocols do get infected, so it's not a cure all, just a stopgap measure and only one of a working system. Masks are important but there's more to it than that.
 
Old 10-12-2020, 07:13 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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But, opening up those places is going to cause a significant rise in cases. How do you plan to manage this? And I agree that in the Bay Area, you have a higher % of people following CDC guidelines than elsewhere. However, there are still a sizeable percentage who do not. So, you still didn't answer the question on how we solve for this. All you addressed is that you think more openings should be allowed, but didn't address how to control COVID during this.

And my comments are not purely partisan. I have co-workers in different countries, many of which have handled COVID much better than the US (Asian countries). I talk with them regularly and they tell me that if you don't wear a mask in public, you can get arrested. A friend of mine in Thailand has told me that with these strict measures, they've virtually eliminated the spread in many parts of the country, to the point where you can now travel without a mask. So, that's what I base how we should handle COVID (not that I believe in the slightest that we have the political will in this country to follow those procedures). I don't think California is a model for the world on how to handle the virus, although we're doing a better job than many parts of this country.
How do you figure? They told us earlier in the summer much of the spread was from "social gatherings", not barbershops/salons, restaurants, etc... Bars I can see but you can limit capacity. I'm fine with mask mandates, which exist already, and reduced capacity. You're not going to eradicate COVID with any lockdown measures in a country like ours simply because of size/scale. Maybe its time to accept some risk and that its going to occur.

Every other Disney theme park in the world has reopened except ours. It made no sense that playgrounds remained closed as long as they did. CA is going too far with these restrictions. You don't need to throw open the door but ease up already.

I never see anyone indoors without a mask and businesses have been good kicking people out without them.

So you want to base how to handle coronavirus on THAILAND? A quasi authoritarian country? lol. Places like Japan and Hong Kong never had an official lockdown. Lockdowns aren't the only answer to reducing COVID spread. T
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