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Old 11-11-2021, 07:20 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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I think there are between a few hundred and a few thousand Americans who probably will never be able to resume their careers due to, for example, virus-related lung damage and strokes. I might be underestimating the number. You and many others persistently underestimate the negative impact of COVID-19.
So lock everyone down?

 
Old 11-11-2021, 08:02 PM
 
Location: San Diego Native
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I think there are between a few hundred and a few thousand Americans who probably will never be able to resume their careers due to, for example, virus-related lung damage and strokes. I might be underestimating the number. You and many others persistently underestimate the negative impact of COVID-19.

You persistently guess without any data to support.
 
Old 11-11-2021, 09:43 PM
 
Location: all over the place (figuratively)
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I cannot make up data that is unavailable. Medical professionals themselves can't always tell whether some outcomes are from the virus or not. But my guesses and predictions on things COVID-related over the past maybe 18 months have proven more right, depressingly, than anyone else's I know.

The problem is how people think. "So lock everyone down?" Black-and-white like that, shortcuts, dishonesty, etc. A complicated solution with capacity limits, work-from-home 'guidance' to companies, mandates, travel restrictions, coronavirus education, increased testing, ongoing development of better vaccines and treatments, and so on is what's needed.
 
Old 11-11-2021, 10:18 PM
 
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I cannot make up data that is unavailable. Medical professionals themselves can't always tell whether some outcomes are from the virus or not. But my guesses and predictions on things COVID-related over the past maybe 18 months have proven more right, depressingly, than anyone else's I know.

The problem is how people think. "So lock everyone down?" Black-and-white like that, shortcuts, dishonesty, etc. A complicated solution with capacity limits, work-from-home 'guidance' to companies, mandates, travel restrictions, coronavirus education, increased testing, ongoing development of better vaccines and treatments, and so on is what's needed.



but allowing millions of unvaccinated, untested illegals to cross the border and relocating them in all over the U.S. while relocating the police from the high crime ghetto areas to family amusement parks to arrest 2 year olds who can't keep their masks on.
 
Old 11-11-2021, 10:42 PM
 
Location: Ca expat loving Idaho
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but allowing millions of unvaccinated, untested illegals to cross the border and relocating them in all over the U.S. while relocating the police from the high crime ghetto areas to family amusement parks to arrest 2 year olds who can't keep their masks on.
This isn’t about the vax it’s about compliance. Newsom and Biden has given you a order and you must do it.
 
Old 11-11-2021, 11:24 PM
 
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but allowing millions of unvaccinated, untested illegals to cross the border and relocating them in all over the U.S. while relocating the police from the high crime ghetto areas to family amusement parks to arrest 2 year olds who can't keep their masks on.
Case in point

But obviously, and I didn't say it, if I were in charge, illegal entry and residency would not be tolerated. Backwards practices very likely sparked the pandemic. Let's not worsen the already subpar populace that can't behave well enough to get out of this mess.
 
Old 11-11-2021, 11:45 PM
 
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Getting back to how things actually are, maybe this is on its way to California but the local media hasn't been paying attention.
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/stre...115710003.html

Worker shortages affect everything.
 
Old 11-12-2021, 04:08 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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And employers are still struggling to find workers because many people who lost jobs in the pandemic have yet to start looking again.


Once more, the virus itself (i.e. sickness from the virus) isn't suppressing worker supply. It's a million other factors caused by the pandemic, the shutdown, etc. This isn't the plague. We didn't actually lose the workforce to death.
The country lost its work ethic, casualty of psychological viruses, not the coronavirus.
 
Old 11-12-2021, 05:55 AM
 
Location: So Ca
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The problem is how people think. "So lock everyone down?" Black-and-white like that, shortcuts, dishonesty, etc. A complicated solution with capacity limits, work-from-home 'guidance' to companies, mandates, travel restrictions, coronavirus education, increased testing, ongoing development of better vaccines and treatments, and so on is what's needed.
We hear you. However, it beats the response of "Why are you clinging to the pandemic so hard?" when one questions a talk show host's claim that masks are worthless in terms of prevention of spread of the virus.
 
Old 11-12-2021, 06:01 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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The problem is how people think. "So lock everyone down?" Black-and-white like that, shortcuts, dishonesty, etc. A complicated solution with capacity limits, work-from-home 'guidance' to companies, mandates, travel restrictions, coronavirus education, increased testing, ongoing development of better vaccines and treatments, and so on is what's needed.
Basically that's lockdown-lite. It still leaves the world a very sad, uninteresting place.
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