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Old 03-24-2020, 08:30 AM
 
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This is interesting. President Trump says he intends to reopen the country in weeks, not months. What if the governors don’t agree? You could have conflicting orders.

https://apnews.com/65163e344a4725c823c34be60a2da1ce
I don't know if it matters. Didn't individual counties order residents to stay home before the state did. And the Fed's still have not ordered a national stay home policy so I don't see an issue really.

The pressure might come from economics of states vs other states. If California keeps it's order for 6 weeks but other states are back to business in two weeks how much of a disadvantage will California be in?

 
Old 03-24-2020, 08:47 AM
 
Location: South OC
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Steer the pot? No i responded to post that said Santa Monica will start issuing a fine, so i google who owns Santa Monica beach and found that Santa Monica admitted they do not own it. As such their ordinance is not enforceable on it.
You are completely unaware of how the hierarchy of powers works. It has nothing to do with owns it, and everything to do with local officials having power over local ordinances. But have fun anyway on your cold 65F beach day, and I'm sure you'll have a great case in court if a judge asks why you disobeyed state, county, and city mandated stay-at-home orders during this health crisis.
 
Old 03-24-2020, 08:53 AM
 
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I don't know if it matters. Didn't individual counties order residents to stay home before the state did. And the Fed's still have not ordered a national stay home policy so I don't see an issue really.

The pressure might come from economics of states vs other states. If California keeps it's order for 6 weeks but other states are back to business in two weeks how much of a disadvantage will California be in?
New York governor Cuomo is signaling the same thing. Restarting the economy. You make a good point. If everyone else is back up, California may have to follow suit.
 
Old 03-24-2020, 09:07 AM
 
Location: So Ca
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New York governor Cuomo is signaling the same thing. Restarting the economy. You make a good point. If everyone else is back up, California may have to follow suit.
It sure doesn't sound like it from what I've read. N.Y. went from 5,000 confirmed cases four days ago to over 20,000 cases as of yesterday.

Cuomo Orders All Hospitals To Add Beds As New York Confirms 20,000 Coronavirus Cases:
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...-coronavirus-c
 
Old 03-24-2020, 09:10 AM
 
Location: On the water.
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You are completely unaware of how the hierarchy of powers works. It has nothing to do with owns it, and everything to do with local officials having power over local ordinances. But have fun anyway on your cold 65F beach day, and I'm sure you'll have a great case in court if a judge asks why you disobeyed state, county, and city mandated stay-at-home orders during this health crisis.
He knows how the hierarchy works. He is employed by it in Moscow.
 
Old 03-24-2020, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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And very scary, these have become the main source of news for the younger ones. Ok, I'm on this too much nowadays with working from home, actually got blocked from posting because had to wait 60 seconds. Let me clarify, blocked from C-D because you apparently have to wait for 60 seconds between posts (never knew that). Beginning to feel like a crack head.
blocked? wow I do that all the time but it just says you have to wait X number of seconds. I can't imagine getting blocked for that.
 
Old 03-24-2020, 09:34 AM
 
Location: A Place With REAL People
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LOL you guys are getting your undies in a bunch for nothing. Firstly Trump is attempting to at least boost the morale just a tad. 2nd I'm quite certain if the transmissions of the virus were not stemmed he wouldn't be turning us all loose to continue the virus's track. And lastly the term "weeks" is a minimized term vs. "Months". Think about it? When I'd say 8 weeks to ME it sure doesn't equate to when someone says a couple of months. Heck....it could end up 12 weeks........but in the end it's how you say things that makes a difference in how it's taken. Indeed getting the economy rolling again is pretty critical to how the remainder of this year will end up. I'm also quite certain once the work machine and school begins again the stock market will begin it's crawl back upward.
 
Old 03-24-2020, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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LOL you guys are getting your undies in a bunch for nothing. Firstly Trump is attempting to at least boost the morale just a tad. 2nd I'm quite certain if the transmissions of the virus were not stemmed he wouldn't be turning us all loose to continue the virus's track. And lastly the term "weeks" is a minimized term vs. "Months". Think about it? When I'd say 8 weeks to ME it sure doesn't equate to when someone says a couple of months. Heck....it could end up 12 weeks........but in the end it's how you say things that makes a difference in how it's taken. Indeed getting the economy rolling again is pretty critical to how the remainder of this year will end up. I'm also quite certain once the work machine and school begins again the stock market will begin it's crawl back upward.
How does his threat to get back to business as usual in a week boost morale? Most people know that's not a good idea do you really think that once Trump gives the ok people will start flying to Europe for vacations or going to movie theaters and casinos? He's just giving out another muddled poorly thought out plan that he was urged to adopt by Fox news.
 
Old 03-24-2020, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Ca expat loving Idaho
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New York governor Cuomo is signaling the same thing. Restarting the economy. You make a good point. If everyone else is back up, California may have to follow suit.
Disneyland the studios and tech have a say in this too. If Disneyland wants to reopen can the governor stop them? I’m not so sure about that.

Personally I think they are causing panic unnecessarily. Parking a hospital ship off shore? Saying we need 40k hospital rooms for a surge of patients? We have 40 million people here a little over 2000 positives. Out of that 2000 how many are hospitalized? Nobody will disclose those numbers. I agree we should shelter in place this week then I think we should reevaluate everything. And I hope California politicians will be truthful with us.
 
Old 03-24-2020, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Paradise CA, that place on fire
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Stacy Corless opened Facebook on Monday and saw someone suggest it was time to start slashing visitors’ tires.

It was startling evidence to Corless, a Mono County Supervisor, that a frantic fear of outsiders had gripped some people in the ski resort community of Mammoth Lakes.

“I’m really concerned about the level of vitriol and xenophobia,” she said. “I’m worried someone is going to get shot.”

Mono County over the weekend banned most short-term vacation rentals in an effort to prevent tourists from carrying the new coronavirus into the isolated, resource-strapped community. The decision followed a wave of similar announcements that have derailed ski trips, hobbled backpacking plans, and landed a devastating blow to local tourism-dependent economies across the West.


The above is copy and paste from the Sacramento Bee. Sorry, unable to provide a link, but I heard the paywalls have been lifted, so anyone should be able to read it.

These small tourist towns were overtaken by tourists before, but it really hurts now. The horde of visitors deplete the small grocery stores, leave trash behind, and now might / or might not infect the locals.

Our own Paradise never been a tourist destination - this was the main reason we liked it so much. If the virus keeps going on, some visitors in other places might get a surprise that the welcome is over.
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