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Coming soon to a neighborhood near you ... the mask police in the 2nd highest case-count state, behind California:
I like. Deploy undercover cops to commercial districts where coronavirus spread is believed to be especially high. For example, around markets in East Los Angeles.
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Waiting for the lawsuits ...
You’re very outspoken about your rights being violated with masks. I asked you before why you haven’t filed a lawsuit yet with no answer.
Talk the talk but can’t walk the walk?
You’re very outspoken about your rights being violated with masks. I asked you before why you haven’t filed a lawsuit yet with no answer.
Talk the talk but can’t walk the walk?
Tough to file a lawsuit when you're not an American citizen and are based in Russia.
You’re very outspoken about your rights being violated with masks. I asked you before why you haven’t filed a lawsuit yet with no answer.
Talk the talk but can’t walk the walk?
I haven't been ticketed. Why spend the money when you haven't been injured.
“Conspiracy theories about the origins of coronavirus have swirled around discussion of the pandemic since it began. These theories tend to proliferate during times of crisis, as people search for elusive explanations at a time of tremendous uncertainty. But there’s also something else that’s keeping them alive: Institutions in American life entrusted to inform the public have been amplifying them“. ...
Including this and other social media forums.
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Covid-19 conspiracy theories are being fed by institutions meant to inform the public
... The latest example of this phenomenon was a controversial decision by Sinclair Broadcast Group, which owns one of the US’ largest local television networks. The company planned to air a new interview with discredited researcher and conspiracy theorist Judy Mikovits in which she suggests — despite all evidence and research stating otherwise — that one the Trump administration’s top scientists, Dr. Anthony Fauci, may have created the coronavirus...
Conspiracy theories reflect societal anxieties. Media outlets can amplify them.
Experts say that historically speaking, the pubic is more receptive to conspiracy theories during catastrophes.
“Conspiracy theories flourish in times of crisis, which is obviously the case here,” Karen Douglas, a professor of social psychology at the University of Kent and an expert in conspiratorial thinking, told Vox’s Jane Coaston in April. “They tend to surround big events that require big explanations [because] small explanations are unsatisfying.” ...
... A Pew Research Center survey from June found that about a quarter of Americans see at least some truth in the conspiracy theory that the coronavirus outbreak was intentionally planned by powerful people. (Five percent say it’s “definitely true” and 20 percent say it’s “probably true,” with a 1.6 percentage point margin of error.) ...
Conspiracy theories might sound absurd, but they’re no laughing matter
The mainstreaming of conspiracy theories about the inception and spread of Covid-19 could seriously complicate the country’s ability to manage the pandemic by corroding the public’s inclination to comply with expert guidance.
Motta pointed to a study he co-authored that found that people who have been more exposed misinformation about the origins of coronavirus in the media — through right-leaning news, in particular — are more likely to accept those claims as true, and are subsequently less likely to accept warnings about the severity of the pandemic from scientific experts. “The risks are very real,” he warned.
And Suhay noted that the pandemic’s end could be delayed by conspiracy theories,
And yes, there are conspiracy theorists and other misinformation campaigns intent on sowing confusion and distrust right here on CD forums ... including in this thread.
Ironically the mask police is loosening in the far east including the two countries that were very strict and called successful in tackling COVID19 via dystopian amounts of survillance, some countries over there are lifting mandatory mask requirements on metros/subways since the summer. Unlike much of the west masks were never
I have a friend in Bangkok who has told me about the situation over there. The reason why they've been able to get rid of the mask ordinance is because they've virtually eliminated community spread. During the lockdown, it was really locked down. You couldn't leave your home except to go to the grocery store. If you were caught not wearing a mask outside, you would be arrested. During that time, they also successfully implemented a testing, contact tracing and isolation approach.
Its sort of misleading of you to bring up the Asia analogy when its really apples and oranges. They've all pitched in together either willfully or with a strong amount of police force and have defeated this pandemic in their countries to where it is no longer an issue. They will implement strict measures again if they detect cases starting to rise, as is currently occurring in Hong Kong. On the other hand, we only closed ~50% of our economy at peak, have been very lax about enforcing a mask ordinance and are now seeing our cases spike out of control. We truly reap what we sow.
I have a friend in Bangkok who has told me about the situation over there. The reason why they've been able to get rid of the mask ordinance is because they've virtually eliminated community spread. During the lockdown, it was really locked down. You couldn't leave your home except to go to the grocery store. If you were caught not wearing a mask outside, you would be arrested. During that time, they also successfully implemented a testing, contact tracing and isolation approach.
Its sort of misleading of you to bring up the Asia analogy when its really apples and oranges. They've all pitched in together either willfully or with a strong amount of police force and have defeated this pandemic in their countries to where it is no longer an issue. They will implement strict measures again if they detect cases starting to rise, as is currently occurring in Hong Kong. On the other hand, we only closed ~50% of our economy at peak, have been very lax about enforcing a mask ordinance and are now seeing our cases spike out of control. We truly reap what we sow.
Its interesting how Japan seemed to have handled it without a dystopian amount of survillance(either through phones, cameras, or other means), nor lockdown(a voluntarily one instead) nor a de jure mask requirement. There was no penalty for keeping a temple(House of worship), hair salon, barber shop, or even Pachinko's(aka semi casinos) open, and 50% of them did stay open. Yet cases there were milder and fallen after peaking in April no worse than the places with dystopian surveillance/lockdowns despite how their population is so dense with so many elderly and its proximety to mainland China. In Taiwan there was also pretty much no mandate to shut anything down, maybe with the exception of some Karaoke bars. Many Taiwanese still got to enjoy their Springbreak last April at tourist spots and amusement parks(which were open with less people) Mask requirements only applied to certain establishments such as metro subways, trains, and while many people wore mask as with most of the far east. there are a significant amount of maskless people walking the streets too including those on Spring break too. Though Taiwan did ration mask production to preserve it for domestic use, ration amount of masks per family to buy a day/week, and unlike neighboring Japan Taiwan have strong survillance for returning compatriots for 14 days with heavy penalities for those who sneak out of quarantine terms, as well as those testing positive for the disease and ordered to quarantine.
I really find that grocery store exception is the biggest most ridiculous offender of all. Pretty much negates the entire point. Just have groceries and toilet paper delivered to homes or delivered to cars rather than having people go Black Friday over them while they are restocked. Grocery stores became the sole hotspot as people try to socialize since everything else was off limits, even if they try not to mega lines to enter and go through the store and checkout stands help spread disease.
I also noticed that cases skyrocketed after the CDC and maybe the WHO states that there is no evidence of surface transmission which I believe lead to many people letting off guard about surface sanitation and handwashing. This was made apparent to the public when many stores and health officials around the world lift bans on reusable bags. This made grocery markets much more dangerous than before. I actually have another thread on this on the Controversy line. Its interesting its already well known that many viruses including cold and flu were heavily spread via surface transmission especially by the hands. The ban on reusable bags and limits on grocery capacity came late after large amounts of the population raided the stores in panic before the "lockdown." Causing a large surge in cases, this in addition to many students and seasonal workers racing home on packed planes, trains, and buses, after their schools or place of employment or the border itself closes.
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Its interesting how Japan seemed to have handled it without a dystopian amount of survillance(either through phones, cameras, or other means), nor lockdown(a voluntarily one instead) nor a de jure mask requirement. There was no penalty for keeping a temple(House of worship), hair salon, barber shop, or even Pachinko's(aka semi casinos) open, and 50% of them did stay open. Yet cases there were milder and fallen after peaking in April no worse than the places with dystopian surveillance/lockdowns despite how their population is so dense with so many elderly and its proximety to mainland China. In Taiwan there was also pretty much no mandate to shut anything down, maybe with the exception of some Karaoke bars. Many Taiwanese still got to enjoy their Springbreak last April at tourist spots and amusement parks(which were open with less people) Mask requirements only applied to certain establishments such as metro subways, trains, and while many people wore mask as with most of the far east. there are a significant amount of maskless people walking the streets too including those on Spring break too. Though Taiwan did ration mask production to preserve it for domestic use, ration amount of masks per family to buy a day/week, and unlike neighboring Japan Taiwan have strong survillance for returning compatriots for 14 days with heavy penalities for those who sneak out of quarantine terms, as well as those testing positive for the disease and ordered to quarantine.
I really find that grocery store exception is the biggest most ridiculous offender of all. Pretty much negates the entire point. Just have groceries and toilet paper delivered to homes or delivered to cars rather than having people go Black Friday over them while they are restocked. Grocery stores became the sole hotspot as people try to socialize since everything else was off limits, even if they try not to mega lines to enter and go through the store and checkout stands help spread disease.
You're missing a major point here. In Asian countries, mask wearing is widely practiced culturally and everyone abides by this, whether it is required or not. And to think, if all Americans would just practice mask wearing voluntarily (as you see with our Asian counterparts), we never would've needed to do any form of lock down or other strong governmental restrictions.
I want to get back to a normal life as much as you do, believe me. I miss hanging out with friends/family, casually going out to dinner, movies, sporting events, gym, etc. But, I also recognize that more religious mask wearing would've enabled us to avoid the calamity we're in now. Even now, we could turn this around, but I'm afraid without strong armed governmental measures, many people will not comply and it'll continue getting much worse.
You're missing a major point here. In Asian countries, mask wearing is widely practiced culturally and everyone abides by this, whether it is required or not. And to think, if all Americans would just practice mask wearing voluntarily (as you see with our Asian counterparts), we never would've needed to do any form of lock down or other strong governmental restrictions.
I want to get back to a normal life as much as you do, believe me. I miss hanging out with friends/family, casually going out to dinner, movies, sporting events, gym, etc. But, I also recognize that more religious mask wearing would've enabled us to avoid the calamity we're in now. Even now, we could turn this around, but I'm afraid without strong armed governmental measures, many people will not comply and it'll continue getting much worse.
Its true that mask wearing is far less taboo in Eastern countries than the west. And that 80%+ of the population wore them to protect themselves. I remember how a story back in February and March is that on Japan airlines while mask wear was not mandatory the foreigners were looked weird as most Japanese passengers wore masks, however on the flip side fly on a US carrier or a western carrier the person wearing a mask, usually an Asian, would get weird looks and feared to be a sick carrier.
Though the most important thing is wearing masks properly. I heard it could make things worse if people don't practice proper safety protocols on handling of masks. Which is probably whats happening nowadays along with the misguidance that surface transmission is a non issue. Surface transmission and mask infection are highly related. I believe people in Eastern/Asian countries were taught that back during the SARs epidemic. Thats probably why the health groups recommended against wearing masks in the beginning(including for all past pandemics unless a Doctor/sick) out west not just political issues. The other issue was that due to shortage of new replacement masks people are tempted into reuse their masks instead of disposing of it immediately after taking it off for any reason which means increased risk.
The ban on reusable bags came a bit late they should had banned them in the beginning of March before that panic hoarding started with people filling their reusable bags and contacting other items in the store and carts and bringing it home and repeat the cycle again. I suggest we should continue to ban reusable bags and sanitize hands as much as possible and recommend people shop online/curbside only whenever possible. Though the ever powerful Grocery lobby who have a lot of politician and mainstream influence power would not allow that.
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