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Old 09-01-2020, 02:56 PM
 
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This is quite an embellishment. Plenty of people who live in cold climates do outdoors stuff. You have heard of skiing, and snowboarding, and snow shoeing, and snow mobiling, and ice fishing, and I could go on and on. I live in CA now, but even we seek out snow in the winter. We go to tahoe or big bear or whereever there is snow because snow is fun.

If you grow up in snowy areas then you don't let it slow you down, it is just part of life.
And there are tons of people in CA who are not outdoors people, they sit at home and become slobs. I would say that Colorado is more of an outdoorsy state than CA.
True CO is very outdoorsy, however, the COL there is no cheaper than CA. My sister lives in Fort Collins and the housing prices and taxes there are outrageous.
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Old 09-01-2020, 03:25 PM
 
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
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As heard from the individual residing in the Sierra Nevada foothills, so goes many Californians: It is my home. Home is where the heart is. Home is where I planted my roots, and I shall die. The list of references to home and how significant it is to the person can go on and on. I uprooted and moved on a lot in my twenties and thirties but mostly in Ca (a few years in Seattle and a year in 5 college area of Mass. & in Florida. For me, Ca is still some family residing here, and sunshine, without being a desert. However, my wife and I have moved a few times in Ca alone and are looking North where I have some relatives and a few old friends to retire. I just have to decide to bear with much more dark and dreary days of winter. Young, in my twenties I just went out and about all winter long in Seattle and I loved the interest in the Occult (hey, that is spirituality with roots many thousands of years back, my devout Christian friends.) I loved hiking the Olympic Mountains, Northern Cascades and especially around Mt Rainier and St. Helena. Well guess what...I love all the wonderful places to hike now around my home an the short trip to the ocean! We have the best fire fighting crews in the world and thank you Montana for providing us additional help from Federal fire fighters! There are bigger and worse fires but most communities will avoid big fires and most near fires will survive intact. I have a friend in Healdsburg, CA who just lost his home to fire, but in forested, less populated areas it has become even more of a possibility. But know where you live and prepare, right? As to expense...well, it is all relative, isn't it in this free market economy. I would say a good part of our reasoning in retiring out of Ca is how much retirement funds we have allowed for. It will stretch farther for us out of Ca., for the lifestyle we desire.
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Old 09-01-2020, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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A big missing factor in mos to of the contributions to this entire discussion is the length of time people have lived in Calfornia.

A 70 year old person born and raised in Calfornia has seen dramatic changes that someone who moved here 5 years ago has never experienced.

So when someone, "I am here in California because it is my home", hasn't experienced much change from when he moved here 5 years ago, it is a very different thing from the person who has lived here their entire life.

That 70 year old who has lived here all 70 years of her life can also say "I am here in California because it is my home", but it may no longer be the home of her youth or even the home she knew 30 years ago. That 70 year old will have seen massive changes in cost of living, crowded conditions, governance, demographics, the quality of education, the growth of government unions, the cost of Universities, the explosion of welfare and homeless populations, traffic conditions, laws and regulations, and social attitudes and norms.

So the perspective from those 2 individuals is going to be radically different. The 15year resident who loved California upon moving here and has only seen modest changes over his 5 years may still love it here. The 70 year old may hate it here and all of the sunshine and dry heat in the world is not enough to make up for all of the detrimental changes she has lived through and wants to seek out a new home that at least negates some of those above reference changes, despite more rain or clouds or snow or humidity.
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Old 09-01-2020, 03:40 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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Good grief. Give it an efing rest. Just move and shut up about it.
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Old 09-01-2020, 04:25 PM
 
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A big missing factor in mos to of the contributions to this entire discussion is the length of time people have lived in Calfornia.

A 70 year old person born and raised in Calfornia has seen dramatic changes that someone who moved here 5 years ago has never experienced.

So when someone, "I am here in California because it is my home", hasn't experienced much change from when he moved here 5 years ago, it is a very different thing from the person who has lived here their entire life.

That 70 year old who has lived here all 70 years of her life can also say "I am here in California because it is my home", but it may no longer be the home of her youth or even the home she knew 30 years ago. That 70 year old will have seen massive changes in cost of living, crowded conditions, governance, demographics, the quality of education, the growth of government unions, the cost of Universities, the explosion of welfare and homeless populations, traffic conditions, laws and regulations, and social attitudes and norms.

So the perspective from those 2 individuals is going to be radically different. The 15year resident who loved California upon moving here and has only seen modest changes over his 5 years may still love it here. The 70 year old may hate it here and all of the sunshine and dry heat in the world is not enough to make up for all of the detrimental changes she has lived through and wants to seek out a new home that at least negates some of those above reference changes, despite more rain or clouds or snow or humidity.
This is very true. The CA of my youth, which was far better than now, is gone. What my family and friends grew up with that brought great pleasure, does not generally exist now. Change is not always bad, but it is still something to adapt to. CA is my home and that will not change, but the type of life we all have now is different for sure. Many have no idea of what it was like.
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Old 09-01-2020, 05:26 PM
 
Location: So Ca
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Plenty of people who live in cold climates do outdoors stuff. You have heard of skiing, and snowboarding, and snow shoeing, and snow mobiling, and ice fishing, and I could go on and on. I live in CA now, but even we seek out snow in the winter. We go to tahoe or big bear or whereever there is snow because snow is fun.
Agreed. Plenty to do in the snow in California! (We just go to Mammoth and Big Bear.)
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Old 09-01-2020, 05:55 PM
 
Location: NBTX, Sand Diego, Denver
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Good grief. Give it an efing rest. Just move and shut up about it.
I think a lot of us are just frustrated that we moved here for the CA dream and the state has ended up failing us. I've been here since 97, the homeless population alone is enough to leave. It's going to be catastrophic and who's going to pay for it?
The only people that can afford to live here (coastal cities that is) are the Section 8 people on food stamps and those who make $100k and up. Everyone else is just treading water and footing the bill. The middle class are the ones paying for everyone else and gaining nothing...
And yes, I am shutting up and moving before the year's end...
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Old 09-01-2020, 06:39 PM
 
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I think a lot of us are just frustrated that we moved here for the CA dream and the state has ended up failing us. I've been here since 97, the homeless population alone is enough to leave. It's going to be catastrophic and who's going to pay for it?
The only people that can afford to live here (coastal cities that is) are the Section 8 people on food stamps and those who make $100k and up. Everyone else is just treading water and footing the bill. The middle class are the ones paying for everyone else and gaining nothing...
And yes, I am shutting up and moving before the year's end...

I think some us find it frustrating that those who have decided CA is no longer working for them and have moved out, post on CA forums how had it is here, a "cesspool" failed state and on and on CA bashing. I know if I moved out of CA for those reasons, I would be concentrating on my new home state and wanting where I came from to be a fading memory.......hence I would not be popping up on CA forums
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Old 09-01-2020, 06:48 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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A big missing factor in mos to of the contributions to this entire discussion is the length of time people have lived in Calfornia.

A 70 year old person born and raised in Calfornia has seen dramatic changes that someone who moved here 5 years ago has never experienced.

So when someone, "I am here in California because it is my home", hasn't experienced much change from when he moved here 5 years ago, it is a very different thing from the person who has lived here their entire life.

That 70 year old who has lived here all 70 years of her life can also say "I am here in California because it is my home", but it may no longer be the home of her youth or even the home she knew 30 years ago. That 70 year old will have seen massive changes in cost of living, crowded conditions, governance, demographics, the quality of education, the growth of government unions, the cost of Universities, the explosion of welfare and homeless populations, traffic conditions, laws and regulations, and social attitudes and norms.

So the perspective from those 2 individuals is going to be radically different. The 15year resident who loved California upon moving here and has only seen modest changes over his 5 years may still love it here. The 70 year old may hate it here and all of the sunshine and dry heat in the world is not enough to make up for all of the detrimental changes she has lived through and wants to seek out a new home that at least negates some of those above reference changes, despite more rain or clouds or snow or humidity.
I am 71 years old, born and raised in California and have seen all the changes you speak of. Of course I would love it if California could somehow magically go back to the way it was in the 1950s, but that's not realistic. The only constant in life is change. Even with all our recent challenges such as drought and wildfires, I have no desire to escape. California is my home. My roots are here, my friends and family are here.

Our house may be small, but my husband and I own it free and clear. It has appreciated in value nearly 700%, yet our property taxes are still low because Prop. 13 limits annual increases. That is a big advantage for retirees. We love our quiet residential neighborhood across the street from a forested park with an ocean view. What advantage would there be trading for a McMansion in some other state? Not only would our property taxes skyrocket, but if we moved to a red state we would be seen as evil invaders from "Cali" and possibly shunned by the locals. No thanks.

Those San Franciscans that the OP mentioned upthread - the ones who mocked her for not being green enough, not driving a Tesla and complained about buildings that don't have composting toilets - give me a break! That attitude doesn't represent the views of me or any San Franciscan I've ever known. I don't think I'm special or better than anyone else because I'm a Californian; just lucky. It sounds like the OP's friends are just entitled jerks. You can find those anywhere.

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Old 09-01-2020, 07:17 PM
 
Location: California
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100,000 gross pay


Same salary but if you drop in 19K into a 401k and 5.5K into an HSA
Are you saying that with a $100,000 yearly salary the gross monthly pay would only be $4167? That's way way way off.
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