They Know How To Prevent Megafires, Why Won’t Anybody Listen? (Oakland: buy, live)

[Ruth4Truth]

Originally Posted by rosebud49

Check out how we used to control fires:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ry/5877810002/

What does it mean, "how we used to control fires"? The article is about this year's fires and the Santa Rosa fire. Is there another article, about past firefighting methods?

[CA4Now]

So PG & E had a hand in the Zogg fire, and So CA Edison had one in the Bobcat fire...

[Ruth4Truth]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/californi...nty-evacuation
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...adly-zogg-fire

PG&E Corp. was ordered by the judge overseeing its criminal probation to explain its “role in the ignition” of the Zogg Fire in northern California after the company said investigators are investigating its equipment as a possible cause of the the blaze that killed four people and burned more than 56,000 acres in the Sierra Nevada mountains.

U.S. District Judge William Alsup also directed the utility to disclose what kind of equipment was taken by investigators with the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection, known as Cal Fire, and to describe the extent of “trimmed and untrimmed vegetation” in the area where the equipment was taken.

[CA4Now]

From a doctoral student in anthropology at UC Santa Barbara:

These extreme fires are caused by two main factors: fire suppression and climate change. The dangerous consequences of fire suppression are now widely acknowledged. But the role of climate change on wildfires — more heat, less rainfall and lower humidity in fire-prone regions — is either being minimized or pushed from the frame.

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/stor...-change-denial

[509]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

From a doctoral student in anthropology at UC Santa Barbara:

These extreme fires are caused by two main factors: fire suppression and climate change. The dangerous consequences of fire suppression are now widely acknowledged. But the role of climate change on wildfires — more heat, less rainfall and lower humidity in fire-prone regions — is either being minimized or pushed from the frame.

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/stor...-change-denial

Yep....there is a credible source....."a doctoral student in anthropology at UC Santa Barbara".


REALLY??? The article is a political statement, not a science based article.


For over 40 years professional foresters have been warning folks the "epidemic of trees" in the US and resulting fire conditions in the west.


I gave up....retired as soon as eligible. Thanks for the pension. Good luck, dealing with your fires.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by 509

Yep....there is a credible source....."a doctoral student in anthropology at UC Santa Barbara".

The PhD student who researches climate change and land management, and has also fought a forest fire is "just" quoting scientists.

From the above article: "Faced with irrefutable evidence, attacks on climate science acknowledge that climate change exists, but denies how much scientists know, how much climate change currently matters and how possible it is to cut carbon emissions. This position may sound nuanced and pragmatic, but it is just as false and damaging to science-backed decarbonization efforts as outright denialism. In fact, it may be more dangerous because it sounds less extreme.

As a researcher of climate change and land management, I know that just several generations of fossil fuel emissions have produced higher atmospheric carbon concentrations than have existed at any point in human history. Scientists are certain that the majority of current climatic extremes are the result of this rapid carbon influx.

Scientists are also certain that the effects of climate change are catastrophic right now, not just in California, but around the world. Examples are so prolific as to be almost banal: fires in rain forests, fires in the Arctic, disappearing islands, refugees from droughts and floods.

As the planet changes, climate change denial also shifts."

[509]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

The PhD student who researches climate change and land management, and has also fought a forest fire is "just" quoting scientists.

From the above article: "Faced with irrefutable evidence, attacks on climate science acknowledge that climate change exists, but denies how much scientists know, how much climate change currently matters and how possible it is to cut carbon emissions. This position may sound nuanced and pragmatic, but it is just as false and damaging to science-backed decarbonization efforts as outright denialism. In fact, it may be more dangerous because it sounds less extreme.

As a researcher of climate change and land management, I know that just several generations of fossil fuel emissions have produced higher atmospheric carbon concentrations than have existed at any point in human history. Scientists are certain that the majority of current climatic extremes are the result of this rapid carbon influx.

Scientists are also certain that the effects of climate change are catastrophic right now, not just in California, but around the world. Examples are so prolific as to be almost banal: fires in rain forests, fires in the Arctic, disappearing islands, refugees from droughts and floods.

As the planet changes, climate change denial also shifts."

Forget climate change.


Three MAJOR causes....


1) an "epidemic of trees and brush". Increases in bio-mass that are off the charts over the past 50 years. Particularly the last 30.


2) movement of people in the wildlands. Makes firefighting difficult. Makes impacts of fires much, much worse.


3) Senator Cantwell of Washington state exposing Federal firefighters to PERSONAL LIABILITY for decisions made while fighting fires. Led to a mass exodus of overhead personnel on Federal Incident Management Teams.


Climate change.....maybe, but the other three factors are the primary cause. The last hundred years in California have been much WETTER than the last thousand years. California might be moving towards a more NORMAL weather pattern. That is bad news.


Building Industrial Wind and Solar areas is NOT going to address the wildland fire problem in the west.



Senator Romney called for a Presidential Commission to address the fire issue. That is a good first step. We are going to have fire issues for the next 30 to 50 years. It will be a difficult issue to deal with, particularly with the opposition of environmental groups and the Democratic party.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by 509

Climate change.....maybe, but the other three factors are the primary cause. The last hundred years in California have been much WETTER than the last thousand years.

I can't find any evidence to support this statement. Link?

[Tulemutt]

“Trump administration blocks California wildfire relief“
https://www.latimes.com/california/s...e-relief-funds

[Mike930]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

“Trump administration blocks California wildfire relief“
https://www.latimes.com/california/s...e-relief-funds

And now they reversed the decision.

https://www.cbs8.com/mobile/article/...b-fe5020f89cce