They Know How To Prevent Megafires, Why Won’t Anybody Listen? (Berkeley: lawyers, moving)

[Ruth4Truth]

Originally Posted by Ultrarunner

If you can't prevent you can build accordingly...

Sometime building requirements are you biggest obstacle...

One upscale community required split heavy shake roofs... after the Oakland Firestorm they had to revisit that.

Thing is my friend got no where fighting it and 9 months before the fire paid the money for the new Shake Roof...


Also being able to properly clear without threat of fines could go a long way... the Angora Fire in Tahoe changed a lot of thinking along this line...

Too bad it often takes tragedy to act.

Canada has been requiring flame-retardant roofs since IDK, back in the 80's or something. Some of their companies entered the WA market, including Seattle, back in the 90's I think. The requirements may vary by province, I'm not sure, but some require that every other roof be flameproof, or some such plan. It's kind of a no-brainer.

[mgforshort]

Pacific Gas and Electric Co. equipment may be to blame for igniting the Dixie Fire, a wildfire that has charred more than 30,000 acres in Northern California and continues to force evacuations in parts of Butte and Plumas counties, the private utility company said in a report late Sunday night.

PG&E — driven into bankruptcy in 2019 by wildfire liabilities and under increased scrutiny from regulators over public safety — says one of its workers saw the fire while inspecting a blown fuse."

From the Sacramento Bee today, 7/20/2021.

The Dixie fire started near the area where the 2018 Camp fire started, which wiped out our hometown of Paradise. What saved us this time (so far) was that the winds blow the fire away from us toward an unpopulated area. If the wind turns and gets much stronger we must evacuate again. Our things are packed and we can leave in 10-15 minutes if they advise us. The last time we didn't get any warning unless I count all the ashes hitting our deck.

Correction: according to Cal Fire Dixie had grown to 59,984 acres and it is 15% contained this morning.

[RMESMH]

Originally Posted by Ultrarunner

If you can't prevent you can build accordingly...

Sometime building requirements are you biggest obstacle...

One upscale community required split heavy shake roofs... after the Oakland Firestorm they had to revisit that.

Thing is my friend got no where fighting it and 9 months before the fire paid the money for the new Shake Roof...


Also being able to properly clear without threat of fines could go a long way... the Angora Fire in Tahoe changed a lot of thinking along this line...

Too bad it often takes tragedy to act.

Both of those fires were so terrible.


I remember seeing some of the Oakland Firestorm blaze from Hwy 24, and the older sister of one of my high school classmates was one of the women killed in that fire.


After the Angora Fire was out, I was already op at Tahoe and I remember driving around and seeing the devastation. Just terrible.

[RMESMH]

Originally Posted by mgforshort

Pacific Gas and Electric Co. equipment may be to blame for igniting the Dixie Fire, a wildfire that has charred more than 30,000 acres in Northern California and continues to force evacuations in parts of Butte and Plumas counties, the private utility company said in a report late Sunday night.

PG&E — driven into bankruptcy in 2019 by wildfire liabilities and under increased scrutiny from regulators over public safety — says one of its workers saw the fire while inspecting a blown fuse."

From the Sacramento Bee today, 7/20/2021.

The Dixie fire started near the area where the 2018 Camp fire started, which wiped out our hometown of Paradise. What saved us this time (so far) was that the winds blow the fire away from us toward an unpopulated area. If the wind turns and gets much stronger we must evacuate again. Our things are packed and we can leave in 10-15 minutes if they advise us. The last time we didn't get any warning unless I count all the ashes hitting our deck.

Correction: according to Cal Fire Dixie had grown to 59,984 acres and it is 15% contained this morning.

I feel so bad for you.

I hope your specific area is spared this time, and that you don't have to evacuate.

I was planning on driving to Wisconsin next week or the week after (from Texas) and then heading to Oregon thinking this might be the Summer I can finally see Crater Lake, and I'm ordering a MacBook Air (has to be ordered re both RAM amount and SSD size) and if I get it delivered (can't be to an Apple store) in Oregon, there's no sales tax. Before the fires I was looking at staying at one of a number of campgrounds that would make Crater Lake a day trip....but that was before the fires in far Northern California and Oregon started. I'm now thinking about camping at a campground near the coast re better air quality, and because I haven't seen the Oregon Coast either, and I haven't camped for a few years...but I'll keep monitoring things to see what will end up being prudent. I hope that doesn't mean giving up natural beauty and camping, but definitely very trivial inconveniences for me compared to what you must be thinking about and going through.

Here's to hoping your area is spared, and wishing you relief from stress . Fingers crossed.

[mgforshort]

As of this morning Greenville is gone. It was a small town near Lake Almanor with approx. 800 residents. PG&E admitted responsibility for the Dixie fire and the close Fly fire as well. Now the two fires combined are near 280,000 acres or 430 square miles. Greenville was a 100-year old town from the gold rush times.
Chester, the main town on the shores of Lake Almanor is evacuated, approx. 2,100 residents. I doubt it would survive, but I hope to be wrong.

Our Paradise is 45 miles from Greenville direct, or 75 miles driving.

[RMESMH]

Originally Posted by mgforshort

As of this morning Greenville is gone. It was a small town near Lake Almanor with approx. 800 residents. PG&E admitted responsibility for the Dixie fire and the close Fly fire as well. Now the two fires combined are near 280,000 acres or 430 square miles. Greenville was a 100-year old town from the gold rush times.
Chester, the main town on the shores of Lake Almanor is evacuated, approx. 2,100 residents. I doubt it would survive, but I hope to be wrong.

Our Paradise is 45 miles from Greenville direct, or 75 miles driving.

I thought about you when I heard that Greenville was gone.

Fingers crossed. I hope the fire stays away from you.

[Suesbal]

Run away, run away, run away from Dixie Fire.

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by mgforshort

As of this morning Greenville is gone. It was a small town near Lake Almanor with approx. 800 residents. PG&E admitted responsibility for the Dixie fire and the close Fly fire as well. Now the two fires combined are near 280,000 acres or 430 square miles. Greenville was a 100-year old town from the gold rush times.
Chester, the main town on the shores of Lake Almanor is evacuated, approx. 2,100 residents. I doubt it would survive, but I hope to be wrong.

Our Paradise is 45 miles from Greenville direct, or 75 miles driving.

Watch, PGE will find a way for the tax payers to foot the bill.

[akm4]

There will be time for blame, but right now my main concern are the 1000 displaced Greenvillians. My home town needs help. Please consider contributing to or sharing this gofundme for non-profit Plumas Rural Services. All money goes to Greenville survivors. Thank you very much!
https://gofund.me/6179abe0

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by Racer46

Man is contributing to it, not causing it.

May be causing it as well.

In findings published Tuesday in the journal Environmental Research Letters, the authors concluded that the emissions generated in the extraction of fossil fuels, as well as the burning of those fuels, have increased the amount of land burned by wildfire by raising global temperatures and amplifying dry conditions across the West. This growing dryness, or aridification, has caused the atmosphere to become “thirstier” for water, draining moisture from trees and brush and causing them to become more vulnerable to fire, the researchers say.

To quantify the impact of the fossil fuel industry on wildfires, study author Kristina Dahl (principal climate scientist with the Union of Concerned Scientists) and her colleagues built on previous research that has shown that carbon emissions traced to the top 88 fossil fuel producers and cement manufacturers — including Exxon Mobil, BP, Chevron and Shell — have contributed significantly to the average temperature by which the Earth has warmed.

From there, the researchers found that the emissions were responsible for 37% of the 53 million acres of forest area — or 19.8 million acres — burned by wildfire since 1986.

The results don’t account for the effects of non-climate factors, including fire suppression, the prohibition of Indigenous burning and increases in human-sparked fires associated with more people moving into wilderness areas, which have played a role in driving the size and severity of individual fires, but have not affected the relationship between climate and burned area, the study notes.

Almost 40% of land burned by western wildfires can be traced to carbon emissions:
https://www.latimes.com/environment/...rbon-emissions