Newsom eradicating sales of new gas powered cars by 2035 (Los Angeles: for rent, stores)

[vincenze]

Originally Posted by joosoon

Are all these trains going to stop at each person's house to drop off groceries?
You're missing the point intentionally so I'll just leave you to it.

When you travel to a European city, you notice all kinds of small produce stores. You walk a little bit and buy food for a day or two. You don't have to drive 10 miles to the nearest Costco.
There are similar small stores in LA, but you should choose a walkable neighborhood.

[looker009]

Originally Posted by vincenze

When you travel to a European city, you notice all kinds of small produce stores. You walk a little bit and buy food for a day or two. You don't have to drive 10 miles to the nearest Costco.

Can you please explain why you are comparing Europe to US? We are different society, it will not happen here. We will not change ours society to act/live like Europeans

[sav858]

Originally Posted by joosoon

True enough but then why set a hard date by which it all has to happen?
I understand that the E/O is more about raising the bar more than anything else, but it's a turnoff to some of the public when they see mandates like this. Letting it happen naturally, and evolving with the tech as it arrives is a better approach than demanding that in ten or twenty years, X has to happen no matter what. If for no other reason than to get more people on board with the plan, it's better to leave it a little loose instead.

But it's a feel good measure to even more people that don't care or bother to think about the actual details or implications. That's who is appealing too. CA is full of those types and is the main reason such a terrible leader like him keeps getting elected.

[vincenze]

Originally Posted by looker009

Can you please explain why you are comparing Europe to US? We are different society, it will not happen here. We will not change ours society to act/live like Europeans

It was like that in big US cities, until big stores killed mom-and-pop stores.

[looker009]

Originally Posted by vincenze

It was like that in big US cities, until big stores killed mom-and-pop stores.

How many years ago? Do you see big stores somehow getting killed off by small stores?

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by joosoon

True enough but then why set a hard date by which it all has to happen?
I understand that the E/O is more about raising the bar more than anything else, but it's a turnoff to some of the public when they see mandates like this. Letting it happen naturally, and evolving with the tech as it arrives is a better approach than demanding that in ten or twenty years, X has to happen no matter what. If for no other reason than to get more people on board with the plan, it's better to leave it a little loose instead.

You answered your own question ...

“Turn off” to some of the public? ... oh well ... gives them something to rant and kvetch about ... they’ll survive.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by looker009

How many years ago? Do you see big stores somehow getting killed off by small stores?

Have you seen mega-breweries loose huge market share to micro-breweries in the past couple decades?

Have you seen niche produce farms and delivery services and organic growers mushroom in recent decade to the point where the big chain grocers and corporate farms now dedicate large sectors of their business to specialty products?

Are you aware of the exodus to suburban living reversing to urban core development and population return?

[sav858]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Yes, some “inexperts” are raising valid questions ... I am not ridiculing questions ... I am laughing at some of the declarations made by certain posters ... especially by some intent on sowing discord in any and all topics, not just this one. No need to explain further.

Even if some posters have an agenda doesn't mean what they said was necessarily wrong or not valid. I don't really recall anything said that was that outlandish or not valid.

[joosoon]

Originally Posted by vincenze

When you travel to a European city, you notice all kinds of small produce stores. You walk a little bit and buy food for a day or two. You don't have to drive 10 miles to the nearest Costco.
There are similar small stores in LA, but you should choose a walkable neighborhood.

You're still not seeing the bigger picture. It's everything. That produce doesn't exist without fossil fuels. It's not just getting it from point A to B, it's every step of the way prior to that. It's naive to think that public transportation solves something in that particular equation. Even if we're just talking about commuters, not everyone does a job that requires nothing more than a laptop and a coffee mug and is within walking distance of a train or subway or trolley. You're obviously pretty insulated from anyone who works the trades which is why you're ok with slapping a sin tax on their labor. It's kind of weird, but you're not the first person who has this narrow view of what all the people on the roads are doing on a daily basis.


As for Europe, there's no comparison. We aren't those countries. Over-the-road transport doesn't exist in the same league as it does in the U.S. so it's pointless to even bring it up.

[joosoon]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

“Turn off” to some of the public? ... oh well ... gives them something to rant and kvetch about ... they’ll survive.

If you're limiting it to this forum or the internet at large, sure. It's all just rant worthy material.

But for something coming out from state government, isn't it better to widen the net some instead of writing off everyone who will be less than enthused by a proposal? Or just in general, if you want to promote an idea, isn't it better if it has broad appeal and doesn't alienate anyone? We're a big state and it's supposed to be governed with everyone's interests in mind, not just a single, dominant ideology. That tends to get forgotten quite a bit up at the top levels.