University of California campus rankings, US News 2022 edition... (Los Angeles, San Diego: middle-class, loan)

[waltchan]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

"Dummy students"? How condescending. UC Riverside ranked lower than other UCs mainly because of its location. Don't forget that it grew out of a UC citrus experiment station founded in 1907. The campus itself was established in 1954 as what was supposed to be a small liberal arts college. It has obviously become much more competitive.

Yes, not a joke at all. Please refer to this important UCR article back in 2004 (which is already deleted by UCR, because they don't want anyone to know):

https://webcache.googleusercontent.c...&ct=clnk&gl=us

The campus had been increasing admission offers by an average of 12 percent per year since 2000, but the state’s budget difficulties have called for enrollment reductions of 3,200 new students throughout the UC system for the fall 2004 term.

Based on increasing enrollment demand at UC Riverside, the campus is preparing for a selective admissions environment by Fall 2005.

Reflecting the overall trend, admitted students from underrepresented minorities — such as African Americans, Chicano/Latinos, and American Indians — also declined slightly at Riverside.

UCR was not a selective school before Fall 2005. Acceptance rate fell from 85% to 72% in just one year (means they rejected all the dummies starting in Fall 2005).

[sprez33]

Surprised no on mentioned the recent Forbes rankings. These are overall rankings, not public college rankings. What Forbes did recently was create a new ranking parameter by culling early career salary data and comparing to the cost of the school. Sort of an ROI type calculation. Don't put too much behind the UC Merced ranking, they're too young to have early career salary data.

https://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/

1. Berkeley
(7. Harvard)
8. UCLA
15. UCSD
20. Davis
39. UCSB
47. Irvine
99. Santa Cruz
101. Riverside
251. Merced

What was also interesting was:
58. Cal Poly, SLO
67. San Diego State Univ.

The Cal State program has some top notch universities as well. Several ranking higher than UC schools, at least according to the Forbes criteria.

[Valley Boy]

Originally Posted by waltchan

Well, US News just released the new 2022 edition of each UC campus ranking:

https://www.universityofcalifornia.e...leges-rankings

One thing I've noticed is UC Santa Cruz is now the worst and least-prestigious UC campus. It is no longer Merced or Riverside anymore. Times have changed now... What does this mean for the future of Santa Cruz campus, and will it have a bleak future?

What planet are you on? UC Santa Cruz is ranked #46 in the county as far as public schools go.

Keep in mind there are 1,626 pubic colleges in the United States. That means Santa Cruz, the lowest ranked UC, is in the top 97%. That is a tall order from the 1980's when they didn't give letter grades, had a 90% acceptance rate, and incoming Freshman had an 1100 average SAT score.

If anything, I would say the UCSC has improved dramatically in the last 25 years of effort from the regents.

[T. Damon]

UC Santa Cruz Banana Slugs still struggles for respect!

[Valley Boy]

Originally Posted by Fisherman99

You got lucky to get in with a 2.55 GPA...that probably won't ever happen again. Don't you need at least a 3.0 minimum GPA for UC schools now? Most UC schools now have 4.0 plus average GPA's...getting tougher each and every year.

I went in the 80's when you could only apply to ONE UC and they still had affirmative action. Wasn't sure which one to pick as a Biology major initially with a 3.8 GPA and mediocre test scores (top third on ACT but not top 10 percent), picked UCLA out of peer pressure but rejected,...redirected to Santa Cruz (no grades/far away/no Bus Admin. Major)), or Riverside which had Biology and Business Administration (Berkeley only other one to have it back then). Also played tennis, but no scholarship, so that was out...Bio-Med was brutal...switched to Business Administration and never looked back. Had the right fit...Enjoyed my time and received a solid education at UC Riverside.

Personally I think all UC schools will continue to rise...some will go up, some down (like UCSC now) with lack of growth, housing issues, etc that will eventually be worked out. Rankings are important, but major, fit, research opportunities, and other variables are as well. You can really do well at any UC Regardless of ranking...the best public system in the world.

There is a like a tier thing. The lower the GPA the higher the SAT score needed to compensate.

So if someone got into UCSC in 2002 with a 2.5 it is doable, if they killed it on the SAT.

[Fisherman99]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

Speak for yourself. That certainly wasn't the experience of my kids, nieces, nephews, or any of their friends born around the same time you were.



"Dummy students"? How condescending. UC Riverside ranked lower than other UCs mainly because of its location. Don't forget that it grew out of a UC citrus experiment station founded in 1907. The campus itself was established in 1954 as what was supposed to be a small liberal arts college. It has obviously become much more competitive.

Agreed...waltchan is wrong on this one...he was very lucky to get into UCR with a 2.55 GPA...didn't think that was possible with a 3.0 minimum UC GPA requirement! Maybe he aced the SAT/ACT? It used to be the "redirect" school (still needed a 3.0+ GPA and good test scores for entrance) along with Santa Cruz back in the day...newest Merced now takes this spot (still high stats if you see link below)...all UC's getting tougher every year. I got ribbed a lot for going there growing up in coastal Orange county mainly for inland location...had the chance to play tennis there, as well as the brutal Bio-Med (now Thomas Haider Program), and the only other UC to have undergraduate Business Administration (besides Berkeley) back in the 80's when I was there...was no "dummy" school...had a very fast quarter system (a smart UCR cohort of mine got 99th percentile on GMAT exam). Those that weren't academic and the party types dropped out of UCR quickly. Was the right fit for me and is a hidden gem, still having a personal touch/more collaborative education in the UC system...for those that can take the heat. Go highlanders!!


ALL of the UC's have solid US News rankings, very high stats, are very competitive, are getting tougher each and every year, and are relatively affordable for California residents compared to Private Schools.


https://admission.universityofcalifo...ors/riverside/

[Fisherman99]

Originally Posted by Valley Boy

What planet are you on? UC Santa Cruz is ranked #46 in the county as far as public schools go.

Keep in mind there are 1,626 pubic colleges in the United States. That means Santa Cruz, the lowest ranked UC, is in the top 97%. That is a tall order from the 1980's when they didn't give letter grades, had a 90% acceptance rate, and incoming Freshman had an 1100 average SAT score.

If anything, I would say the UCSC has improved dramatically in the last 25 years of effort from the regents.

I should've toured UCSC back in the 80's when I had to pick between UC Riverside and Santa Cruz (was no Merced yet). Am in So. Cal though, so UCR was much closer, had my major, and the students/campus were nice on my tour there...the "no grades" thing at Santa Cruz threw me off as well. All UC's have issues at times, causing temporary drops on US News...hopefully Santa Cruz will resolve theirs soon and continue onward and upward, which I'm sure they will.


https://www.universityofcalifornia.e...leges-rankings

[amokk]

Originally Posted by waltchan

Yes, population density matters into UC rankings. Before 1990 (and before the baby-boom of late-1990s), most southern California high school students could easily get into UCLA with no biggest trouble. Irvine as a 2nd backup readily available with about 80% acceptance rate. Santa Barbara and Riverside, forget it, these two campuses were too far away for locals at that time, so they had small total enrollment, and they were considered to be the worst UC campuses in So. Cal. at that time.

San Francisco and Bay Area have very-low birth rate, per-capita now. UC Berkeley is showing very-small signs of trouble. UC Regents are aware of this changing demographic, so they will make UC Santa Barbara as the new #2 best UC school after UCLA by year 2040 or 2050.

2042 (forecast):

1. Los Angeles
2. Santa Barbara
3. Berkeley
4. Irvine
5. San Diego
6. Merced
7. Riverside
8. Davis
9. Santa Cruz

1992:

1. Berkeley
2. Los Angeles
3. Davis
4. San Diego
5. Irvine
6. Santa Barbara
7. Santa Cruz
8. Riverside

Look much much the rankings have changed and flipped...

Your forecasts are complete garbage. Remember when you said that UCLA was going to be obsolete by 2040?

Originally Posted by waltchan

Yes, both UC Merced and UC Riverside (new campus built from ground-up at west side undeveloped land, if proposed) will be the two major powerhouse universities in California for the whole 21th century. UCLA will gradually become obsolete by 2040, due to its aging infrastructure. UCLA greatness will not last forever. Only Ivy League dominates.

[waltchan]

Originally Posted by amokk

Your forecasts are complete garbage. Remember when you said that UCLA was going to be obsolete by 2040?

Yes, I still stand by my words. Don't forget that homes in Westwood (UCLA neighborhood) will be over $3 million median average by 2040, after inflation adjusted. Kids will move away fast to other cities, like Santa Cruz. UCLA will always be #1 by 2040, but other campuses will also be near UCLA's #1 ranking too. The difference between each campus is negligible now. More future students don't need to be overcrowded into UCLA anymore.

[amokk]

Originally Posted by waltchan

Yes, I still stand by my words. Don't forget that homes in Westwood (UCLA neighborhood) will be over $3 million median average by 2040, after inflation adjusted. Kids will move away fast to other cities, like Santa Cruz. UCLA will always be #1 by 2040, but other campuses will also be near UCLA's #1 ranking too. The difference between each campus is negligible now. More future students don't need to be overcrowded into UCLA anymore.

You stand by your words of "UCLA will become obsolete by 2040" and then go on to say "UCLA will always be #1 by 2040".

You clearly have no clue what you're talking about and just like running your mouth. Maybe that works when you're trying to sell homes to dumbass rubes over in Riverside, but I've got an IQ above room temp. So not going to happen.