What does San Luis Obispo need more of? Shopping or housing? (Bakersfield: houses, dorms) - California (CA) - City-Data Forum

the city · 06-12-2008, 12:21 AM

65% of county voters wanted the Dalidio Ranch project built. Judge Roger Picquet deemed his county project was illegal right now. Now, it's up to the county board of supervisors decide what to do next. Some say housing, some say it should be the shopping center. What does everyone think? More shopping or more housing?

I think the city needs to get to 50,000 population as soon as possible and offer more affordible housing for families. We only need the one shopping center approved in San Luis Obispo right now built-Prefumo Creek Commons (kohl's center to built next to costco center).

the city · 06-12-2008, 10:07 PM

Andrew Carter is the city councilman that is taking leadership in all of the housing issues in San Luis Obispo. He believes the Dalidio Ranch property should be housing in the city. He is pushing to get he Orcutt Road, Airport and Margaritta Road, and all other housing projects done as soon as possible. He also supports all other shopping centers in the city to be converted into housing.

I fully support this man and his philosphy.

Also, the Garden Street Terrace Project and Chinatown project in downtown is supposed to attract elderly to live in downtown allowing their old houses to be affordible homes for families. Same deal with the Poly Village dorms being built at Cal Poly, they are to attract college students to live on the campus so their old homes are affordible homes for families.

carp killer · 06-13-2008, 07:10 AM

The problem with San Luis and the whole county for that matter, is that the wages paid are not enough to buy the median price home. Or even a fixer upper. You can find cheaper housing in Santa Maria but with gas predicted to spike at $5 a gallon this summer and falling back to $4+, forever

, the worker bee is screwed either way. Unless a person inherits a sizable grub stake or lands a cherry job, they will waste their lives on a hamster wheel and never get ahead.

Capt. Dan · 06-13-2008, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by the city

Andrew Carter is the city councilman that is taking leadership in all of the housing issues in San Luis Obispo. He believes the Dalidio Ranch property should be housing in the city. He is pushing to get he Orcutt Road, Airport and Margaritta Road, and all other housing projects done as soon as possible. He also supports all other shopping centers in the city to be converted into housing.

I fully support this man and his philosphy.

Also, the Garden Street Terrace Project and Chinatown project in downtown is supposed to attract elderly to live in downtown allowing their old houses to be affordible homes for families. Same deal with the Poly Village dorms being built at Cal Poly, they are to attract college students to live on the campus so their old homes are affordible homes for families.

the SLO city/county council could care less about "affordable" housing. They are interested in upscale housing so they can collect upscale property taxes.

NYSD1995 · 06-13-2008, 10:21 AM

SLO is known all over CA for the "we got ours, keep out" mentality towards newcomers and homeowners. The reality is that they have what is essentially a no-growth policy that serves them well. So I don't know that it is a question of what the area "needs", i.e. to what end? I think most residents like it the way it is and aren't interested in it becoming anything more than it is.

the city · 06-13-2008, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassberto

SLO is known all over CA for the "we got ours, keep out" mentality towards newcomers and homeowners. The reality is that they have what is essentially a no-growth policy that serves them well. So I don't know that it is a question of what the area "needs", i.e. to what end? I think most residents like it the way it is and aren't interested in it becoming anything more than it is.

I can answer this question. The state government is aware of this, and in 2004 tried passing a rule in the city and would have caused city taxpayers to pay to have the city's population doubled in 16 years so that it would have been at 90,000 population in 2020. This would happen by increasing housing density to 100%. Of course, this was turned down. So, most recently in 2007 the state has started cutting back finances to pressure the cities in the county to grow more. And in the county they set a population minimum that the county should be at by 2030-355,000 population. Also in the county they passed an ordinance so that one out of every housing project has to be affordible, and how they do this is by making arrangements with low-income to afford the house.

The Orcutt Road, Airport and Margaritta Road, and the 2nd housing project next to Costco will be at 25% density and will allow bring the city more affordible housing and the city closer to meeting it's 2008 annual report of the general plan population estimate of 51,500 ppl in the city by 2022.

I am not sure if the city will plan to annex the Dalidio Ranch houses and Johnson Avenue houses at some point into the city.

the city · 06-14-2008, 12:49 PM

If you don't believe me about San Luis Obispo getting to 50,000 population.

Then you can call the city to have a copy of their 2008 annual report of the general plan.

Also, San Luis Obispo County of Government makes estimates for all the cities and towns. They are very accurate. SLO is about at 50,000 population. 49,400 populatin which is close enough that it will probably be 50,000 population.

http://library.slocog.org/PDFs/SpecialProjects/FINAL%20JULY%202006%20ERA%20POP%20&%20EMP%20FORECA ST%20REPORT.pdf (broken link)

Figure 17, and on page 15, has the data table for the estimates.

sheri257 · 06-15-2008, 07:02 AM

You know ... I was just over in the SLO area this past week and now, I understand why they (and other Central Coast towns) have the slow growth policy.

Yeah ... they do go to extremes but, I would rather than they go to extremes to preserve the area than the opposite extreme of too much development.

If you let tons of subdivisions and shopping malls come in the central coast would be ruined. There's a reason that area is still as gorgeous as it is today ... it's not littered with tons of commercial development.

the city · 06-15-2008, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by sheri257

You know ... I was just over in the SLO area this past week and now, I understand why they (and other Central Coast towns) have the slow growth policy.

Yeah ... they do go to extremes but, I would rather than they go to extremes to preserve the area than the opposite extreme of too much development.

If you let tons of subdivisions and shopping malls come in the central coast would be ruined. There's a reason that area is still as gorgeous as it is today ... it's not littered with tons of commercial development.

This thread is not about commercial developments, it's about if the area needs more affordible housing for families....

carp killer · 06-15-2008, 01:25 PM

Another big problem is all the NIMBYs that live in the area. Since the dirt is so expensive you have to increase density. No way around it. But try and go up or pack them in tighter. First thing that happens is phone calls to the city fathers and any project gets shot down. But if your in, it's all gravy. Less housing means more value to current owners and land lords can continue to rape the landless poor. As one Realtor said, not everyone will get a house, move to Bakersfield if you want a house.

Elitism is alive and well in SLO.