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Old 11-15-2008, 10:50 AM
 
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To be fair facts usually have a liberal bias.
Huh? The numbers are what they are.

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Old 11-15-2008, 10:57 AM
 
Location: los angeles
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To be fair facts usually have a liberal bias.
Please explain what you mean. Or was it sarcasm?
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Old 11-15-2008, 11:09 AM
 
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Please explain what you mean. Or was it sarcasm?
Sarcasm

I guess it's hard to convey it over the internet.
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Old 11-15-2008, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Portlandia "burbs"
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Huh?

Obama won by 8 million votes and 53 percent of the vote so ...

President - Election Center 2008 - Elections & Politics from CNN.com

That definitely puts him up there with Reagan which is pretty impressive.
I guess that's a matter of perception. To me that's not a landslide. 8 million is what ~ population of LA? And there are those votes for all the other parties. I tried to find the statistics for those alternate parties but couldn't. I don't believe they generated as many as in the prior 2004 election.
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Old 11-15-2008, 12:27 PM
 
Location: los angeles
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I guess that's a matter of perception. To me that's not a landslide. 8 million is what ~ population of LA? And there are those votes for all the other parties. I tried to find the statistics for those alternate parties but couldn't. I don't believe they generated as many as in the prior 2004 election.
She is posting national results, not California results [Obama 61% over McCain's 37%].
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Old 11-15-2008, 12:50 PM
 
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What's happened in the Central Valley is that Latinos vote Democratic & vote in larger numbers now.
That is a bit too general.

Hispanics do get more conservative as they move up the socio-economic ladder or are more generations removed from the immigrant generation. The Democrats will gain a short term advantage in coming years due to Hispanics but will need to work to keep it long term.

For example, one of the Clovis city council members is Jose Flores. He was registered Democrat for 26 years but 6 years ago switched parties to the GOP. He says he was a Dem because that was what his family and friends were but it wasn't his beliefs.

Assemblywoman Nicole Parra was elected as a Dem but usually voted conservative. Leaving office this year she gave her support to the Republican candidate instead of the Hispanic female the Dems were running. It looks like the Republican will win the race as the last absenteee votes are now being counted.
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Old 11-15-2008, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Portlandia "burbs"
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She is posting national results, not California results [Obama 61% over McCain's 37%].
Oops! I've been on too many "general" forums, so my thinking keeps going on that one-way route. Thanks for rattling my cage on this.
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Old 11-15-2008, 07:53 PM
 
Location: In a room above Mr. Charrington's shop
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That is a bit too general.

Hispanics do get more conservative as they move up the socio-economic ladder or are more generations removed from the immigrant generation. The Democrats will gain a short term advantage in coming years due to Hispanics but will need to work to keep it long term.
Definitely true. Latinos are not of one mind, nor one culture. I know many very conservative Latins -- Catholics, patriarch, family- and traditional-value types, who would never vote for even the slightest left-of-center politician.
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Old 11-15-2008, 08:24 PM
 
Location: los angeles
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Definitely true. Latinos are not of one mind, nor one culture. I know many very conservative Latins -- Catholics, patriarch, family- and traditional-value types, who would never vote for even the slightest left-of-center politician.
Not in LA county! Latinos are a Democratic block.
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Old 11-16-2008, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Cali
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Yes, Earl Warren, the most liberal chief justice of the Supreme Court during the 20th century. My point is that prior Republican governors were quite different than current GOP religion-centric focus.

Edmund Brown [father of Jerry Brown] put the focus on infra-structure with the construction of the California Aqueduct as an example.
Most Republican governors in California have been socially moderate. Pete Wilson for instance was very much for abortion rights.
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