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Old 11-28-2008, 10:05 PM
 
Location: Sandpoint, Idaho
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Full-Blooded,
You should read your American history. Gold rushes in North Carolina, Georgia, South Dakota, and California-->> all were devasting to Native Americans, not just by disease, but by forcible action to remove the local inhabitants off their lands. Pure greed and with complicity of the US government that basically did not consider the rights (property or otherwise) of Native Americans. Major episodes of the Western migration were defined by the combination of a search for gold and forced removal of local Natives.
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Old 11-29-2008, 12:12 AM
 
Location: So Cal
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Makes sense.

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I'll bet there's some legislation affecting Indians working its way through Sacramento and they're starting the PR machine to gain public sympathy for themselves and whatever their position on the proposed law might be.
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Old 11-29-2008, 02:57 AM
 
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I don't know who else would have done that...but it is the least the victors could have done. An imperfect solution, really, as the land that became the various sovereign nations for each respective Indian tribe/nation are not necessarily their original land, i.e. that land the victors eventually 'allowed' them to live on was not their 'home' land.

Example: The Cherokee. Originally from what would become the southeastern United States, they were moved by the US government to what was then called Indian Territory but soon became Oklahoma. Although the Cherokee eventually 'received' sovereign territory, the capital of the Cherokee sovereign nation is in Oklahoma hundreds of miles from where they originally came from.

For comparison, that's like someone stealing your car (example, a Nissan) and then, as repayment, they give you a Toyota. So, sure, you got a car back, but it is not your car.

Keep in mind that this is my basic analysis. I'm not suggesting by any means that we undo injustices, rewrite history, make mass repayments or retributions, or that we all have a giant power hour of crying. I'm fully aware of the injustices that every ethnic group, nation, race, etc. has committed against another throughout human history. No group can claim complete innocence. Perhaps the commercial is the Indian's way of saying, "Those who cannot remember the past..."
There was a war fought.

Europeans did not start it; nevertheless, they finished it.

Indians lost.

Indians were allowed to live in sovereign areas of land, governed by themselves and subject to their own laws, customs, etc. This altruism by Europeans did not have to be expressed; nevertheless, it was.

And now California Indians are living very well as a result.

So, why the guilt trip in this recent television commercial? When will enough be enough?
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Old 11-29-2008, 03:00 AM
 
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Actually, you know what? Just forget it. The next time there's a ballot measure to tax the hell out of these freakin' casinos, I'm voting YES.
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Old 12-06-2008, 11:07 PM
 
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Exclamation Yes, prospectors, and others, did harm Indians

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I caught part of a commercial today that stated something like California Indians were somehow hurt by gold prospectors or something like that -- I believe the commercial was sponsored by Morongo. Was this news to anybody else? I'd never before heard of gold prospectors hurting Indians.
Yes, this is true. However, so did the Jesuit mission fathers, most of whom enslaved the Indians. Also, the US government waged an all-out campaign to eradicate the Indians in this area. This is well documented in a number of books that have become text books on the subject in many colleges.

All-in-all, all strata of whites took their toll on the Indian population. The Morongo, Paula, Soboba, etc., are all right when they regale with tales of whites and their cruelty to Indians. Whites are the real savages, here.
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Old 12-06-2008, 11:13 PM
 
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Interesting. I wonder if Morongo will be airing any commercials about all the European undocumented migrants who were kidnapped, tortured, and killed by Indians.
You should remember, the Indians were not invading the white's homeland. Nay, the whites were invading the Indians homeland. But, they justified it by saying they were bringing progress. What was progressing by the senseless slaughter of innocent people?
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Old 12-06-2008, 11:20 PM
 
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<<quote=Full-Blooded American;6348937]There was a war fought.

Europeans did not start it; nevertheless, they finished it.>>

WRONG!!! Indians did not go to Europe, and invade the white man's countries. White men, illegal immigrants, came to the Indians homeland, and said they had a right to invade. So, invade, they did.

Yes, whites DID start the war, killed Indians, took their land, brought them diseases, and built a lot of man-killing freeways, and smoke belching factories.

Now, you got the unmitigated gall to call US savages. Look in the mirror for the savage.

And, here you are trying to get it all started, again.
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Old 12-06-2008, 11:20 PM
 
Location: southern california
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IMHO something like 4000 treaties with the indians, we broke every one of them. i dont think anybody saying that the european americans jerked around the indians is making wild accusatons. we did. our gold rush guys ran over the mexican people here too. we did not discriminate. neither mexican people nor the indians had the volition to fight off the onslaught of invaders. they were just not up to it. does any of this sound familiar.
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Old 12-07-2008, 01:42 AM
 
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<<quote=Full-Blooded American;6348937]There was a war fought.

Europeans did not start it; nevertheless, they finished it.>>

WRONG!!! Indians did not go to Europe, and invade the white man's countries. White men, illegal immigrants, came to the Indians homeland, and said they had a right to invade. So, invade, they did.

Yes, whites DID start the war, killed Indians, took their land, brought them diseases, and built a lot of man-killing freeways, and smoke belching factories.

Now, you got the unmitigated gall to call US savages. Look in the mirror for the savage.

And, here you are trying to get it all started, again.
You seem a little angry. Sorry about all that then, man-killing freeways and such...if it makes you feel any better I think they should have given the Indians twice as many beads for the land.
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Old 12-07-2008, 05:38 PM
 
Location: So Cal
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Geez...Do some people really think that all the Indian tribes of America were holding hands singing Kumbaya while living in harmony before the Europeans arrived?

Any way, if you feel so sorry for the Indians then go down to your local Indian casino and make a donation.

Now stop living in the past and move on.
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