Is even worth it to even Vote in Ca? (Los Angeles: condos, mortgage)

[happ]

Originally Posted by sav858

You're generalizing about CA way too much. Over the past 26 years, California has had a democrat as governor for only 4 of those 26 years. So if we "have more liberals than any other place in the world" then how did we manage to have a REPUBLICAN governor for 22 of the past 26 years?

No SOCIAL conservative will ever win a major statewide or national office in CA again, but socially moderate/liberal ones can.

Its still worth it to vote for local offices like State Assembly and Senate, county and city, and propositions.

"No SOCIAL conservative" but that is the face of the Republican party & why previous governors including Reagan did not get into people's bedrooms. Ever see videos of Arnold smoking marijuana w/ babes in his lap? He would have never won in Kansas Once the GOP divorces itself from the brainless religious right it will, once again, join the political process in California.

[TPSpecialist]

Happ - You and I don't agree on many things. I have read many of your posts and you may have seen mine. I think you're onto something as far as Republicans in California are concerned. I am registered Republican but am frustrated with the way the party has been run. I supported Dr. Paul in the previous election and didn't vote for W in either of his election victories.

I wish the party would get back to its fiscal conservative and "states rights" ways, then I would consider being active in the party. Some young people like myself actually are in favor of fiscal sanity AND state choice. I am religious, but not fundamentalist. I am Catholic and I support equal rights for gay and lesbian couples. I absolutely abhor taxes and most government spending (save education and elderly). Who is out there to look out for people like me? There are literally millions of young people who supported Dr. Paul. If we had candidates like him here in California, we might be able to actually challenge some liberals with more "socialist" beliefs.

Until that happens, we'll keep being marginalized. Half of us will vote democratic and half will vote Republican, which won't change the overall margin. And if Repubs keep screwing up, more and more of us will vote Dem.

I will disagree with you on one thing though. Arnold is NOT someone who would do well with Libertarians. He doesn't really have the common sense that we look for. He is moderate to the point that no one actually cares much for him.

WHERE ARE THE LIBERTARIAN CANDIDATES IN CALIFORNIA?

Anyway, sorry for the rant. Back on topic:

It is worth it to vote in California. I understand you are conservative and I am in some ways too. I would just encourage you to not vote the party line either way and think outside the parties when you vote. My hope is that if everyone does this then common sense will rule in the end.

[happ]

Originally Posted by TPSpecialist

Happ - You and I don't agree on many things. I have read many of your posts and you may have seen mine. I think you're onto something as far as Republicans in California are concerned. I am registered Republican but am frustrated with the way the party has been run. I supported Dr. Paul in the previous election and didn't vote for W in either of his election victories.

I wish the party would get back to its fiscal conservative and "states rights" ways, then I would consider being active in the party. Some young people like myself actually are in favor of fiscal sanity AND state choice. I am religious, but not fundamentalist. I am Catholic and I support equal rights for gay and lesbian couples. I absolutely abhor taxes and most government spending (save education and elderly). Who is out there to look out for people like me? There are literally millions of young people who supported Dr. Paul. If we had candidates like him here in California, we might be able to actually challenge some liberals with more "socialist" beliefs.

Until that happens, we'll keep being marginalized. Half of us will vote democratic and half will vote Republican, which won't change the overall margin. And if Repubs keep screwing up, more and more of us will vote Dem.

I will disagree with you on one thing though. Arnold is NOT someone who would do well with Libertarians. He doesn't really have the common sense that we look for. He is moderate to the point that no one actually cares much for him.

WHERE ARE THE LIBERTARIAN CANDIDATES IN CALIFORNIA?

Anyway, sorry for the rant. Back on topic:

It is worth it to vote in California. I understand you are conservative and I am in some ways too. I would just encourage you to not vote the party line either way and think outside the parties when you vote. My hope is that if everyone does this then common sense will rule in the end.

Excellent response & where the dialog should be. I can never forgive the Republicans for inserting religious issue into politics, stirring up emotional & inappropriate feelings based on narrow interpretations of scripture [sounds so fanatical

I would love it if the discussion was more like William Buckley & Gore Vidal [2 real thinkers w/ opposing positions based on rational argument]. You can find some of their debates on U-tube. It just seems like discourse has been so dumbed down & loaded with irrelevancy since Bush. Why is intelligent exchange gone?

[mossomo]

Originally Posted by Milwaukee City

I might be moving to Ca soon and a thought crossed my mind, I'm a big conservative would it even be worth it to vote in California when you have more liberals than any other place in the world? with 33 million libs why vote when no conservative will ever win the gov or president in California ?

Exercise your right to vote and be heard.

[TPSpecialist]

Originally Posted by happ

Excellent response & where the dialog should be. I can never forgive the Republicans for inserting religious issue into politics, stirring up emotional & inappropriate feelings based on narrow interpretations of scripture [sounds so fanatical

I would love it if the discussion was more like William Buckley & Gore Vidal [2 real thinkers w/ opposing positions based on rational argument]. You can find some of their debates on U-tube. It just seems like discourse has been so dumbed down & loaded with irrelevancy since Bush. Why is intelligent exchange gone?

I'd like to know the answer to that question also. It seems to be the million-dollar-question of free-thinkers across America. Intelligent exchange has been thwarted by both parties in my opinion. W's chief success in getting elected was that he was able to dumb down things to the level of the general populace. Obama's chief success in getting elected was that, intellectually, he was pretty much the antithesis of W.

It's funny that you brought up William Buckley because my friends actually call me Little Buck or Buckley Jr.

And I have tremendous respect for Gore Vidal. Even though I don't agree with many things he said, at least he had the intellectual ability to understand the other side.

[majoun]

Originally Posted by TPSpecialist

WHERE ARE THE LIBERTARIAN CANDIDATES IN CALIFORNIA?

Within the GOP? Former Silicon Valley Congressman, UC Berkeley professor and gubernatorial candidate Tom Campbell, the Ron Paul of California.

In the Libertarian Party? Libertarian Party of California

(Libertarianism has deep roots in California, especially Northern California. The Bay Area has produced its fair share of libertarians and the far northern coastal "hippie counties" are very Libertarian-friendly, amongst the most Libertarian-friendly places in the US, much like nearby Oregon.)

[TPSpecialist]

Originally Posted by majoun

Within the GOP? Former Silicon Valley Congressman, UC Berkeley professor and gubernatorial candidate Tom Campbell, the Ron Paul of California.

In the Libertarian Party? Libertarian Party of California

(Libertarianism has deep roots in California, especially Northern California. The Bay Area has produced its fair share of libertarians and the far northern coastal "hippie counties" are very Libertarian-friendly, amongst the most Libertarian-friendly places in the US, much like nearby Oregon.)

I am active in the Libertarian Party both in local (California) and National (Ron Paul) elections. There are several Libertarians in California, I'm aware.

I meant: Why aren't Libertarians in some of the more well-known, high-profile positions in California government?

It seems like a natural common ground between Dems and Repubs. I guess being moderate isn't a popular thing. When did we acquire the all-or-nothing mentality? Has it always been this way? I mean a person isn't required by law to vote his/her party line. I just think it's become too much of a "well the dems are so stupid they'll screw up the country because they're all socialist by definition, blah blah blah" and "repubs are close-minded, bible-thumping, fundamentalist farmers".

The discourse, like happ alluded to, should be focused on an intelligent conversation concerning the merits of ideas instead of simply tuning out members of the opposite party. For some reason, politics brings out the rabid beast in most people. It gets to the point where if I hear a Dem say "Well, if Bush did/didn't do such and such" or a Repub say "Well, if Obama did/didn't do such and such" my brain automatically starts to tune out, because usually some sort of unintelligent bashing follows.

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by Milwaukee City

I might be moving to Ca soon and a thought crossed my mind, I'm a big conservative would it even be worth it to vote in California when you have more liberals than any other place in the world? with 33 million libs why vote when no conservative will ever win the gov or president in California ?

It is always worth it to vote. I know what you are saying, but all things run in cycles.

NIta

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by TPSpecialist

Happ - You and I don't agree on many things. I have read many of your posts and you may have seen mine. I think you're onto something as far as Republicans in California are concerned. I am registered Republican but am frustrated with the way the party has been run. I supported Dr. Paul in the previous election and didn't vote for W in either of his election victories.

I wish the party would get back to its fiscal conservative and "states rights" ways, then I would consider being active in the party. Some young people like myself actually are in favor of fiscal sanity AND state choice. I am religious, but not fundamentalist. I am Catholic and I support equal rights for gay and lesbian couples. I absolutely abhor taxes and most government spending (save education and elderly). Who is out there to look out for people like me? There are literally millions of young people who supported Dr. Paul. If we had candidates like him here in California, we might be able to actually challenge some liberals with more "socialist" beliefs.

Until that happens, we'll keep being marginalized. Half of us will vote democratic and half will vote Republican, which won't change the overall margin. And if Repubs keep screwing up, more and more of us will vote Dem.

I will disagree with you on one thing though. Arnold is NOT someone who would do well with Libertarians. He doesn't really have the common sense that we look for. He is moderate to the point that no one actually cares much for him.

WHERE ARE THE LIBERTARIAN CANDIDATES IN CALIFORNIA?

Anyway, sorry for the rant. Back on topic:

It is worth it to vote in California. I understand you are conservative and I am in some ways too. I would just encourage you to not vote the party line either way and think outside the parties when you vote. My hope is that if everyone does this then common sense will rule in the end.

I am not sure the libertarians will ever make a big print on many elections in our life time, certainly not mine..I agree with much of what they stand for, I jsut don't think a the country is ready for a third party..

Nita

[DMenscha]

IN my local precinct we have the highest % of republican voters and the highest % of green voters in the county. How cool is that?