07-13-2009, 01:49 AM
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I'm not saying reducing admissions to college is THE answer, simply that maybe one benefit may be a greater appreciation of the opportunity. I think too many take getting a college education for granted today.
Because of the way our society is situated college is taken for granted simply because it is so common for people to go. The reason for that is because we have moved from an industrial country to a post-industrial country. Meaning we are now more service/specialty oriented, than production oriented.
Personally it would probably be a good idea for us to move back to industry. We would not need so many people going to college, we could focus on skills that are more applicable, and we could actually produce things we could sell. But we have not reached that point yet. We are still in transition. Hopefully we will make the transition to something better, but that remains to be seen.
I see your point. But I tend to see things on a broader scale, so I don't think the main problem is remedial classes or preparing students for college. I think our main problem is the system is organized in a way that is not functional - so every aspect of it is going to be effected. Education. Business. Farming. Family structure. Medicine. Its all interconnected and its all dysfunctional. We can try to focus on one aspect - education and think of short term fixes. But they are just that. Short term.
I would like to say I have high hopes for the next generation, but I can't in all honesty say that. As much as I care about them I have to be truthful. They have grown up with a very different mindset than any generations that have proceeded them. They feel entitled. I don't know if any amount of hardship can change that. And maybe if they had to work, that would help. But how can they learn the value of hard work without jobs? I tried talking to a class recently about the economy. I tried telling them it might be hard for them to find jobs after high school. They just stared at me, and this one student started shaking his head in disbelief, as if I was lieing to him. They are very disconnected. I was not exagerating before when I said they would rather talk about American Idol than the state of America - that is the sad truth.
07-13-2009, 02:02 AM
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They float our debt by purchasing treasury bills, with the hopes of collapsing the U.S. dollar -- why do you think the Fed no longer releases M3 data? And, I have no problem paying to educate U.S. citizens. However, how many CSU students are U.S. citizens?
The US dollar is collapsing fine all by itself, it doesn't need help from the Chinese. If anything the Chinese are doing us a favor by continuing to accept our currency in exchange for goods and services. But that is already changing. There have been hints by China and Russia that they want to start trading in a different currency.
Currency is basically an IOU. It is used in trade for the sole purpose of trading goods. So what goods are we trading? What are we producing? Lets say I want to trade you some apples for some of my oranges, but my crop got destroyed. You agree to accept an IOU. I keep giving you IOUs for the next several years. Still no oranges. Wouldn't you get a little tired after a while of accepting my worthless IOUs? That is what our dollar is. A piece of paper with no value behind it.
As far as CSUs go. I'm very familiar with them and I would say about 90% are US citizens.
07-13-2009, 02:02 PM
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Sac State is a very good CSU, best inland school by far (compare to CSU Stanislaus or Sonoma State), but it's also a commuter school. I'm 23 and will be 24 if I can get in Fall of 2010, and knowing some people that attend there, I'd say it's very good to those younger (say late teens to upper 20s). They have a spectacular business program which is what I'm transferring in to, and overall they're solid. I just wouldn't say it's a dream school since I guess some people would just rate it as your run-of-the-mill commute state college but to me it's good for what I'm going to do.
that's interesting. i never heard anything but good things about all three (sac state, sonoma state, csu stan/stan state).
i went to csu stanislaus for a year and i liked the school. of course, the area it's in isn't bustling metropolis, but it's a nice alternative for older/non traditional students.
most california state universities are commuter schools (sans humboldt state, csu chico, cal polys) so it's going to be filled with people who have other priorities.
but, it all depends on what you're studying (like you said) and your personal preference.
07-13-2009, 02:37 PM
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I attend a CSU school now & plan to be a student at another CSU in spring 2010. No matter how bad the budget is, I just hope & pray that nothing disrupts my plan/path because I need to graduate, get my degree, get a good job, & live hallipy ever after.
07-13-2009, 02:52 PM
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I need to graduate, get my degree, get a good job, & live hallipy ever after.
That's what we all hope for
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07-13-2009, 03:26 PM
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Because of the way our society is situated college is taken for granted simply because it is so common for people to go. The reason for that is because we have moved from an industrial country to a post-industrial country. Meaning we are now more service/specialty oriented, than production oriented.
Personally it would probably be a good idea for us to move back to industry. We would not need so many people going to college, we could focus on skills that are more applicable, and we could actually produce things we could sell. But we have not reached that point yet. We are still in transition. Hopefully we will make the transition to something better, but that remains to be seen.
There are some who predict a shrinking of the number of students majoring in liberal arts/liberal studies/etc.. Up until about 40 years ago most students attended college for a marketable skill major. The percentage of students in liberal arts/liberal studies type areas was much smaller.
Don't get me wrong, I think we have a need for people majoring in a variety of fields. But how many people do we as a society need to turn out who hold degrees in say history or music.
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LizCab44
I see your point. But I tend to see things on a broader scale, so I don't think the main problem is remedial classes or preparing students for college. I think our main problem is the system is organized in a way that is not functional - so every aspect of it is going to be effected. Education. Business. Farming. Family structure. Medicine. Its all interconnected and its all dysfunctional. We can try to focus on one aspect - education and think of short term fixes. But they are just that. Short term.
Exactly but at the same time we are in a budget crisis, so we need immediate (short term) fixes first to stop the hemorrhaging.
If only 50% of the CSU incoming freshman needs only 1 class in remedial work that is roughly 25,000 freshmen needing remediation. Interestingly that is roughly the same number of students that CSU says they will not have space for next year.
So
maybe one short term answer is to deny admission to students who need remedial classes, no matter what their overall GPA or test scores might be. Require them to get remedial help elsewhere before being allowed to register at a campus.
Painful yes, but is it fair to deny admission to students who do not need remediation? There are not easy choices right now.
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I would like to say I have high hopes for the next generation, but I can't in all honesty say that. As much as I care about them I have to be truthful. They have grown up with a very different mindset than any generations that have proceeded them. They feel entitled. I don't know if any amount of hardship can change that. And maybe if they had to work, that would help. But how can they learn the value of hard work without jobs? I tried talking to a class recently about the economy. I tried telling them it might be hard for them to find jobs after high school. They just stared at me, and this one student started shaking his head in disbelief, as if I was lieing to him. They are very disconnected. I was not exagerating before when I said they would rather talk about American Idol than the state of America - that is the sad truth.
There are some interesting works out there that talk about the impact of the Great Depression and its societal change upon the generation raised during that decade. For example, Glen H. Elder's
Children of the Great Depression: Social Change in Life Experience studied middle and working class families in the Bay Area during the 1930s
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I don't like seeing pain, but sometimes it is needed. Without it we don't know that something is wrong.
07-13-2009, 03:31 PM
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I don't like seeing pain, but sometimes it is needed. Without it we don't know that something is wrong.
Agreed Fresno. What field are you in by the way? I think you mentioned something about mentoring?
07-14-2009, 02:14 AM
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This is a GOOD thing.
CSU's are perennially over-enrolled and accept low-quality students because they have to. This has led to some pretty big problems in the areas around the schools and the sinking reputation of the CSU system.
Hopefully this will weed out some of these loser, frat boy partiers who don't even attend classes to actual students can learn something.
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07-14-2009, 02:53 AM
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The US dollar is collapsing fine all by itself, it doesn't need help from the Chinese. If anything the Chinese are doing us a favor by continuing to accept our currency in exchange for goods and services. But that is already changing. There have been hints by China and Russia that they want to start trading in a different currency.
Currency is basically an IOU. It is used in trade for the sole purpose of trading goods. So what goods are we trading? What are we producing? Lets say I want to trade you some apples for some of my oranges, but my crop got destroyed. You agree to accept an IOU. I keep giving you IOUs for the next several years. Still no oranges. Wouldn't you get a little tired after a while of accepting my worthless IOUs? That is what our dollar is. A piece of paper with no value behind it.
As far as CSUs go. I'm very familiar with them and I would say about 90% are US citizens.
Thanks for the lesson in macro econ 101, thought I'm not certain how it justifies flooding American universities with foreign nationals.
07-14-2009, 10:30 PM
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Agreed Fresno. What field are you in by the way? I think you mentioned something about mentoring?
I'm in the business world. I've done corporate management, owned my own company, done consulting, etc.
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Most Common Occupations - Healthcare support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Protective service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Fire fighting and prevention, and other protective service workers including supervisors (%)
Most Common Occupations - Law enforcement workers including supervisors (%)
Most Common Occupations - Food preparation and serving related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Building and grounds cleaning and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Personal care and service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and office occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)