Don't Californicate my State? (Los Angeles, San Diego: crime, to live in, most dangerous)

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by Screw Sacramento

No that's pretty much bang on correct, except for maybe the dress like surfer part.

Another interesting thing about the separation of church and state--one semester I was taking a cultural college class taught by a liberal hispanic teacher who described herself as angry. She actually removed "under God" from the anthem when we pledged allegiance. Need I say more? It's disgusting what's happening here.

I don't think the "one nation under god" was originally in the pledge of allegiance to begin with. I think it was added later.

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by Ludachris

I don't think this is limited to CA. The separation of church and state is happening all over the nation, just a little slower in some parts.

It may be disgusting to you, but in a nation where we have freedom of religion (which also means "from" religion if you're so inclined), you have to see it from the perspective of those who practice other religions or no religion at all. It may be disgusting in the eyes of a "Christian", but not all Americans are Christian.

[Screw Sacramento]

Originally Posted by Ludachris

I don't think this is limited to CA. The separation of church and state is happening all over the nation, just a little slower in some parts.

It may be disgusting to you, but in a nation where we have freedom of religion (which also means "from" religion if you're so inclined), you have to see it from the perspective of those who practice other religions or no religion at all. It may be disgusting in the eyes of a "Christian", but not all Americans are Christian.

The big problem I have with is it that we are primarily a Christian nation, founded under God, who is now trying to remove God from fundamental things. What's next-from the Constitution? Our dollar bills? I mean, come on.

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by Screw Sacramento

The big problem I have with is it that we are primarily a Christian nation, founded under God, who is now trying to remove God from fundamental things. What's next-from the Constitution? Our dollar bills? I mean, come on.

Doesn't the constitution say separation of church and state?

[sskkc]

Doesn't the constitution say separation of church and state?

No, it doesn't.

When someone says that it does though, I generally just smile and nod patronizingly. Then I ask if it's part of their 3rd amendment rights. They generally say yes. Choking back the laughter, sometimes I tell them that I believe it's a shame that Abe Lincoln added the whole "under God" thing to the constitution. Sometimes, I even make it through the conversation without offering to sell them oceanfront property in Oklahoma.

There's a country song that says something like, "You've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything".

[Clarks]

The big problem I have with is it that we are primarily a Christian nation, founded under God, who is now trying to remove God from fundamental things. What's next-from the Constitution? Our dollar bills? I mean, come on.

This is an idea that is common to those who have not studied the history of the founding of the nation.
George Washington's shadow seldom crossed the threshold of a church.

[SIZE=2]"George Washington's practice of Christianity was limited and superficial because he was not himself a Christian... He repeatedly declined the church's sacraments. Never did he take communion, and when his wife, Martha, did, he waited for her outside the sanctuary... Even on his deathbed, Washington asked for no ritual, uttered no prayer to Christ, and expressed no wish to be attended by His representative."[/SIZE]

John Adams stated specifically that this nation was not founded as a Christian nation


The Constitution makes no reference to God, and it is the ultimate law of the land.

[SIZE=2]"Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced an inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth."[/SIZE] [SIZE=2]
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Thomas Jefferson on Christianity

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[/SIZE] [SIZE=2]"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason."[/SIZE] [SIZE=2]
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Ben Franklin

And don't forget Honest Abe,

[SIZE=2]Lincoln's first law partner, John T. Stuart, said of him: "He was an avowed and open infidel, and sometimes bordered on atheism. He went further against Christian beliefs and doctrines and principles than any man I have ever heard."[/SIZE]

[Fontucky]

Originally Posted by Screw Sacramento

She actually removed "under God" from the anthem when we pledged allegiance. Need I say more? It's disgusting what's happening here.

Good for her! Someone has to counter the loony faction of the christers.
She's my hero.

[Mach50]

Originally Posted by Screw Sacramento

The big problem I have with is it that we are primarily a Christian nation, founded under God, who is now trying to remove God from fundamental things. What's next-from the Constitution? Our dollar bills? I mean, come on.

The Christian Nation Myth

The primary leaders of the so-called founding fathers of our nation were not Bible-believing Christians; they were deists.

Deism was a philosophical belief that was widely accepted by the colonial intelligentsia at the time of the American Revolution. Its major tenets included belief in human reason as a reliable means of solving social and political problems and belief in a supreme deity who created the universe to operate solely by natural laws.

[Rhenzanite]

Originally Posted by Fontucky

Good for her! Someone has to counter the loony faction of the christers.
She's my hero.

The teacher I talked about earlier actually reprimanded me and told me that this nation was 'under god' and that's why I should say the pledge in full.... after I reminded her that 'under god' was added in the 50s, I also told her I'd always assumed that when they said 'god' they meant Mithras.

I'm surprised I wasn't completely banned from that class, but it was the only AP English class available.

[Capt. Dan]

Originally Posted by JetJockey

The teacher I talked about earlier actually reprimanded me and told me that this nation was 'under god' and that's why I should say the pledge in full.... after I reminded her that 'under god' was added in the 50s, I also told her I'd always assumed that when they said 'god' they meant Mithras.

I'm surprised I wasn't completely banned from that class, but it was the only AP English class available.

Was this in SLO?