"Gay Day" in Schools officially signed into CA Law? (Montclair: eat, murders)

[City Boy]

Originally Posted by Ebck120

You do understand that only certain areas have those rights as of now. Gay couples of kicked out of restaurants for holding hands are in the news all the time. I'm not the feminine type however they are also part of the gay community that we need to protect as citizens.

I like how you skip over the murders, suicides, affairs.

I'm glad gay people let people know that they exist because we are an invisible minority meaning you can't tell just from physically looking at us. Visibility of the community helps gays in the general media and helps troubled teens understand they are not alone and that we are all over the Nation.

Gay's should get their rights, but please stop comparing it to the civil rights struggle.

[Ebck120]

Originally Posted by City Boy

Gay's should get their rights, but please stop comparing it to the civil rights struggle.

the key issue is that we both agree on the rights part. the comparison can always be debated.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by Ebck120

come on!! you live in SF but you really think a gay couple in alabama, georgia, texas, arkansas, the dakotas, virginias, carolinas, wyoming, basically anywhere that isn't an urban core can easily go through daily life without being discriminated against?

Not even in Red Utah is that sort of thing a daily occurence.

If anything, before, during and after the 2008 election, I have found that people opposed to Gay Marriage have bent over backwards to demonstrate that this is not about hate or intolerance.

On the other hand,
We've seen a lot of intolerance, bigotry and hatred from those who claim to be otherwise.

Homophobia is still alive unfortunately, but most people, even most who oppose gay marriage, are not going to tolerate harm or abuse of others just because of their sexual orientation.

[VLWH]

Originally Posted by miamiman

This is insane. How dare California honor a man who fought strongly for gay rights in California! Maybe if we keep our heads under our rugs long enough the homosexuals will go away!

I'm sure on Harvey Milk day your kids will be required to dress as drag queens and kings, and they will not be released from class until the profess their love of the same sex.

Get real, folks.

Well at least not for the next two years since May 22nd falls on the weekend.

[Steve97415]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Are you likening Harvey Milk to Martin Luther King Jr?

really?

When MLK Day was first proposed in the early 1980's, many people were incensed that MLK was being likened to American presidents such as Lincoln and Washington. The vanguard of leadership recognition is always controversial.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by Steve97415

When MLK Day was first proposed in the early 1980's, many people were incensed that MLK was being likened to American presidents such as Lincoln and Washington. The vanguard of leadership recognition is always controversial.

Those were all truly national figures whose influence in life as well as in death is felt from coast to coast.

Harvey Milk not so much.

In fact, in wasnt anywhere near as well known as say Cesar Chavez was in CA. He appears to have been a SF figure only.

[BayAreaHillbilly]

Originally Posted by the one

right, and some parents morality includes discriminating against people different than them, be it based on skin color, language, life partner, gender, ability etc.

school is the great equalizer. it offers a place where all the judgemental BS is left at the door. where kids can learn about the diversity of this world. and learn to accept others as thy fellow neighbor.

oh and this doesnt preclude you from teaching your kids anything. they just might in retrospect see how looney and ignorant of a parent you were. lots of kids who grew up with racist [or bigotted] parents looked back and could only shake their heads at their parents intolerance.

go ahead, teach your kids what you will, but schools have the right to present historical facts and FIGURES.

if you disagree with it, pull your kids out and home school them. but all the other kids will be much better off for having learned about chavez, mlk, and milk.

sad sad parenting on your behalf really.

So, because you've failed to convince the adults not to discriminate (or perhaps, because you suspect that the adults may be descriminating) in the privacy of their own homes, therefore, let us undertake massive social engineering programs to convince their kids of a proscribed point of view as part of their schooling. Do you understand the slippery slope here? Why stop with "training" regarding discrimination? Why not extend it to political beliefs in general?

Don't like how the grown ups vote? Go after the next generation.

You are not far removed from the totalitarians.

[krudmonk]

So how are King and Milk not both civil rights leaders?

[WildCardSteve]

Originally Posted by streetscenes

I stand corrected. Thank you for this teachable moment. So learning about Harvey Milk isn't really about "Gay Day". It's about a liberal public servant and elected official who was killed by a conservative and disgruntled public servant who didn't get his way. Seems like something we should all know about.

Hear, hear.

But, don't call him a "conservative."

Dan White was a whack-a-zoid murderer. Murder is not a Conservative value.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by krudmonk

So how are King and Milk not both civil rights leaders?

You tell us how they are the same.