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Old 01-10-2010, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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Originally Posted by RJay123 View Post
They teach us in traffic school to go as fast as the traffic around you is going.

It's even one of the questions on the written exam when you take your license test.

It's very subjective who is breaking the speeding rule, it's something only a human should determine with his own eyes.
But never over the speed limit.
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Old 01-10-2010, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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Forget the whole "Safety" issue. The ones who say things like "well if you don't want to get caught, then don't speed" just need to p*** off and take a hike. This subject has absolutely nothing to do with that. If the issue was one of safety, then a profit motive would be absent the equation.

This is a blatant cash grab no more no less. I wish Arnie would've just said it outright, since he stopped one word shy of it anyway:

"To all people of Kal-ee-forn-ya. We need this money. We want that money. We're going to take it. It's just up to you how how wish to pay. Are you going to give it up voluntarily and agree to some much higher taxes and fees with reduced services? Or are you going to give it up involuntarily on the side of the road at gunpoint?"

It's your choice. But make no mistake about it. We ARE going to get your money one way or another."

Let him roll it out. I dare him. Maybe that will finally spark the same kind of outrage that got him INTO office in the first place. Only this time, in an election year, we vote EVERY one of the incumbents out. Every single one.

Yeah, I know it's a pipe dream for sure. That when it comes right down to the ballot box, the "correct and preferred" age/gender/ethnicity attributes still weight far more heavily than any legislative agenda.
Philosophically, it's a great idea. I don't know enough about the technical issues involved, the accuracy, etc. But these cameras are used elsewhere so someone has decided they are worth it.

Regardless of the technical issues mentioned above, I think it's a great idea to grab cash. Why not? If you don't speed, then that is money going from someone else to you (as a resident of California). It's your services, your schools, and your law enforcement that will benefit.

By the way, If you don't want to get caught, then don't speed.

CA: Take the cash. Good idea. I hope it goes through. Let the suckers that speed pay for new jails and more teachers instead of raising everyone's property taxes and sales taxes. Too bad speeders.

Would you rather have Arnold raise your taxes?

Great idea to get money. Who knows, maybe it will get people to slow down too as a side benefit.

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Old 01-10-2010, 10:37 AM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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Philosophically, it's a great idea. I don't know enough about the technical issues involved, the accuracy, etc. But these cameras are used elsewhere so someone has decided they are worth it.

Regardless of the technical issues mentioned above, I think it's a great idea to grab cash. Why not? If you don't speed, then that is money going from someone else to you (as a resident of California). It's your services, your schools, and your law enforcement that will benefit.

By the way, If you don't want to get caught, then don't speed.

CA: Take the cash. Good idea. I hope it goes through. Let the suckers that speed pay for new jails and more teachers instead of raising everyone's property taxes and sales taxes. Too bad speeders.

Would you rather have Arnold raise your taxes?

Great idea to get money. Who knows, maybe it will get people to slow down too as a side benefit.
If not for that CA had maintained and expanded its roadways throughout the last decades and the slew of unexpected sig alerts when driving, I would be inclined to say that the cameras might be OK in "limited" use. But sadly, the roads have not been expanded or kept up. If you drive a lot and have to get to places, it makes it necessary to make up for time by speeding up a little bit "where you can", as long as you're not excessive. Considering the long commute times to get to work, I find this proposition to be a cruel tax on working folk trying to get to work on time.

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Old 01-10-2010, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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If CA had maintained and expanded its roadways throughout the last decades and the unexpected sig alerts, I would be inclined to say that the cameras might be OK in limited use. But sadly, the roads have not been expanded or kept up. If you drive a lot and have to get to places, it makes it necessary to make up for time by speeding up a little bit "where you can", as long as you're not excessive. Considering the long commute times to get to work, I find this proposition to be a cruel tax on working folk trying to get to work on time.
Sorry, I don't buy this. Speeding is unsafe. If it isn't unsafe than raise the speed limit. Besides, 99.9% of the time, leaving five minutes earlier would eliminate the need to speed.
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Old 01-10-2010, 10:45 AM
 
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If CA had maintained and expanded its roadways throughout the last decades and the unexpected sig alerts, I would be inclined to say that the cameras might be OK in limited use. But sadly, the roads have not been expanded or kept up. If you drive a lot and have to get to places, it makes it necessary to make up for time by speeding up a little bit "where you can", as long as you're not excessive. Considering the long commute times to get to work, I find this proposition to be a cruel tax on working folk trying to get to work on time.
Especially when the flow of traffic is usually between the speed limit and about 5-10 mph over. Doing less than the speed limit just makes everyone ride your tail and have to change lanes to get around you.
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Old 01-10-2010, 06:21 PM
 
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This is bull **** imo. Look, I don't speed blatently, but everyone creeps over the speed limit. Are these speed cameras going to get you for being 5 over, or is there going to be a cushion. Either way it's bull ****, there isn't any concern over public safety, just money.
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Old 01-10-2010, 07:27 PM
 
Location: Yucaipa, California
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The state is desperate for money. They will do what they can to get it. We have to take care of the unions & illegal alians. This state is in such a mess its unbelievable. Gov Benedict arnold & the horrid legislature have ruined ca.
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Old 01-10-2010, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Yucaipa, California
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This is bull **** imo. Look, I don't speed blatently, but everyone creeps over the speed limit. Are these speed cameras going to get you for being 5 over, or is there going to be a cushion. Either way it's bull ****, there isn't any concern over public safety, just money.
On the news they said you will get a ticket for going 5 or more mph over the posted speed limit. NO exceptions. Go the speed limit & you wont be nailed. Dont go with the flow of traffic cause it could be very costly. If you get a ticket your insurance may increase as well. If i didnt need a car for work i would do without. Its just too damn expensive to drive in ca.
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Old 01-10-2010, 07:38 PM
 
Location: Northridge, Los Angeles, CA
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So you get a ticket when you're in a pack of cars going 0.1mph over? I think they'll find themselves overwhelmed with people fighting these tickets.
This is the correct answer. These tickets are way too easy to dispute, leaving a really low rate of people who actually pay these tickets. In fact, Arizona is thinking about removing their speed cameras for this reason

Arizona May Abandon Speed Cameras on Highways - NYTimes.com

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The cameras led to more than 700,000 tickets to drivers going 11 miles per hour or more over the speed limit from September 2008 to September 2009, the most recent data available, according to the Department of Public Safety. The mandated fines and surcharges on all those tickets would total more than $127 million, but they had generated just $36.8 million through September, Lieutenant King said.
Seems like more trouble than its worth, especially in an overburdened legal system such as California's.
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Old 01-16-2010, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Newburgh, IN
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California drivers may soon face speed cameras - Inside Bay Area (http://www.insidebayarea.com/california/ci_14152225 - broken link)
Just another good reason (in addition to all the others) to leave this god forsaken state!
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