Schools and Racism:Is California really Superior to AZ? (apartments, rental)

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by Lifeshadower

If you've ever read anything on game theory, there is this idea called the sunk cost. Once you sink so much investment into something (like coming to America), you want to gain as much return as possible at all costs. It's like if you buy an expensive car; since you spent so much money on it, you want the maximum value possible out of it.

For Hispanic immigrants, there isn't as much sunk cost associated with coming to America since its so much more accessible than if you were Asian due to simple geographic proximity. Asian parents are the way they are because they want the maximum value on investment. Even if that means that they raise brain-dead zombies (and believe me, the critical thinking aspect really isn't there) because that's how they worked hard to come to the US.

If an airplane ticket cost 1/10 that it does now, believe me, the "model minority" stereotype would change so much.

I didn't use the term "sunk cost" but I've also brought up this concept in other posts on these forums regarding Latino immigrants. It's just easier to walk across a land border than it is to cross an ocean. No two ways about it.

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by ndfmnlf

Yes it needs reform. The system has to be liberalized. Open the borders. The only people who should not be allowed to come in are convicted criminals from other countries.

Read Lifeshadower's post about sunk costs. It's easier for Latino immigrants to come here because it's easy to cross a land border. Therefore, they are less motivated than other immigrant groups from Europe and Asia, because those groups had to cross an ocean (obviously much harder).

We can not allow large numbers of uneducated and less motivated immigrants to come here unless we want to be bankrupt. Now, when I use the term "less motivated" I mean less motivated than other immigrant groups, not less motivated than native born Americans.

[Count David]

Regarding white flight, I don't think it has as much to do with race as we think, i.e. in Cupertino's case, there appears to be no reason (crime/bad schools/etc) to flee. One possible explanation could be that white families may tend to want newer/bigger/cheaper houses in the newer suburbs, further out. They might not want the older house in the neighborhood aesthetically similar to the one they grew up in, while knowing that anything new tends to be "good" (at least initially) without having to give it much thought.

[ndfmnlf]

Originally Posted by mysticaltyger

Read Lifeshadower's post about sunk costs. It's easier for Latino immigrants to come here because it's easy to cross a land border. Therefore, they are less motivated than other immigrant groups from Europe and Asia, because those groups had to cross an ocean (obviously much harder).

Those people from Europe and Asia didn't swim across oceans to get here. They flew on air conditioned jetliners equipped with modern amenities. So, no....I don't agree that it was harder for them to immigrate than for people who cross the treacherous arid desert along our southern border.

[Fiddlehead]

Originally Posted by ndfmnlf

Those people from Europe and Asia didn't swim across oceans to get here. They flew on air conditioned jetliners equipped with modern amenities. So, no....I don't agree that it was harder for them to immigrate than for people who cross the treacherous arid desert along our southern border.

Ok, but sneaking into America by plane is pretty difficult, would you not agree? Sure, one can get a tourist or student visa and skip out, but generally even those take some effort and accountability. And the costs and planning of getting a family across the ocean are a major issue too.

[ndfmnlf]

Originally Posted by Fiddlehead

Ok, but sneaking into America by plane is pretty difficult, would you not agree? Sure, one can get a tourist or student visa and skip out, but generally even those take some effort and accountability. And the costs and planning of getting a family across the ocean are a major issue too.

No one sneaks into a plane to get into the US. Once the person is on a plane, he/she has already been cleared by the American embassy at the point of origin.

There is more difficulty illegally crossing the border from Mexico than coming by plane (or boat) from Europe or Asia. In both instances, the illegal immigrant has to invest vast sums of money and considerable planning to carry out the plan. But the illegal from Mexico actually has to overcome more physical obstacles than the illegal from Europe and Asia. The risk of dying in the desert is a real threat.

That's why I don't buy the "sunk cost" argument. If anything, the Mexican illegal has higher sunk costs than his European and Asian counterparts.

[Charles]

Are they now crossing the line?


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[Lifeshadower]

Originally Posted by David Aguilar

Regarding white flight, I don't think it has as much to do with race as we think, i.e. in Cupertino's case, there appears to be no reason (crime/bad schools/etc) to flee. One possible explanation could be that white families may tend to want newer/bigger/cheaper houses in the newer suburbs, further out. They might not want the older house in the neighborhood aesthetically similar to the one they grew up in, while knowing that anything new tends to be "good" (at least initially) without having to give it much thought.

I think the 'why' is much more difficult to explain, with a possible answer that no one really wants to explore. Despite the fact that the racial/ethnic angle makes me sick, the possibility is there that it may be the reason for the white flight. I understand that people want to be around others like themselves. I personally think its a totally natural feeling. Immigrants settle among other immigrants, natives settle with other natives, etc etc.

Places like Cupertino and Fremont aren't even that old to begin with. Cupertino was built out in the late 1970s, while a huge chunk of Fremont was developed in the 1990s! I don't really think that would be the explanation either.

I would definitely believe the explanation about cheaper housing costs elsewhere in the US, but we don't really see that in the Bay Area unless one settles in marginal areas in the Central Valley that aren't majority white to begin with. The last 'white' suburbs in the Bay Area are in the 680 corridor and in the North Bay, and they are amongst the most expensive areas in the Bay Area.

Anyways, here are the demographics of California's best schools:
http://www.usnews.com/articles/educa...edal-list.html


3 Whitney High SchoolCerritos, CA (84.9% Asian, 9.6% Hispanic, 3.7% White, 1.9% Black)
4 Oxford AcademyCypress, CA (70.7% Asian, 16.6% White, 11.7% Hispanic, 1.0% Black)
7 Pacific Collegiate SchoolSanta Cruz, CA (79.6% White, 12.0% Asian, 6.3% Hispanic, 1.6% Black)
22 California Academy of Math and ScienceCarson, CA (38.0% Asian, 31.9% Hispanic, 15.6% Black, 13.9% White)
23 Animo Leadership Charter High SchoolInglewood, CA (98.9% Hispanic, 0.8% Black, 0.4% Asian, 0% White)
25 Lennox Mathematics, Science and Technology AcademyLennox, CA (98.3% Hispanic, 1.1% Black, 0.6% White, 0% Asian)
28 Lowell High SchoolSan Francisco, CA (74.6% Asian, 15.1% White, 7.3% Hispanic, 3.0% Black)
32 The Preuss School UCSDLa Jolla, CA (60.3% Hispanic, 22.3% Asian, 12.3% Black, 5.3% White)
36 Mission San Jose High SchoolFremont, CA (78.9% Asian, 17.7% White, 2.1% Hispanic, 1.2% Black)
44 School of International Studies San Diego High SchoolSan Diego, CA (40.2% Hispanic, 36.7% White, 12.9% Black, 9.0% Asian)
54 Hawthorne Math and Science AcademyHawthorne, CA (71.4% Hispanic, 13.2% Black, 12.2% Asian, 2.8% White)
67 Henry M. Gunn High SchoolPalo Alto, CA (54.1% White, 38.0% Asian, 5.9% Hispanic, 1.9% Black)
70 Monta Vista High SchoolCupertino, CA (70.5% Asian, 26.8% White, 2.1% Hispanic, 0.4% Black)
73 Piedmont High SchoolPiedmont, CA (72.3% White, 22.1% Asian, 3.3% Hispanic, 2.3% Black)
80 La Cañada High SchoolLa Cañada, CA (66.7% White, 29.5% Asian, 3.2% Hispanic, 0.4% Black)
83 Palo Alto High SchoolPalo Alto, CA (64.9% White, 22.9% Asian, 7.5% Hispanic, 4.5% Black)
86 Campolindo High SchoolMoraga, CA (84.8% White, 12.5% Asian, 2.0% Hispanic, 0.6% Black)
89 Miramonte High SchoolOrinda, CA (77.0% White, 17.9% Asian, 4.1% Hispanic, 0.7% Black)
93 Saratoga High SchoolSaratoga, CA (53.2% Asian, 44.8% White, 1.8% Hispanic, 0.2% Black)
98 Lynbrook High SchoolSan Jose, CA (75.7% Asian, 20.9% White, 2.4% Hispanic, 0.7% Black)

Only 7 out of the top 20 high schools in California are White majority. Only 1 out of the top 10 has a White majority.

7/20 are Asian majority. Out of the top 10, 4 are Asian majority.

4/20 are Hispanic majority. Out of the top 10, 4 are Hispanic majority.

0/20 are Black majority

2/20 have no racial group over 50%, and both of those are in the top 10 (California Academy and School of International Studies)


The average TOP California high school (out of the top 20) is:
36.8% Asian
35.2% White
23.2% Hispanic
4.8% Black

The average TOP 10 California High School is:
39.1% Asian
36.0% Hispanic
18.9% White
6.0% Black


In California, the top schools have NO majority racial background. Not one racial group has a minority on ALL the top schools. In fact, maybe us minorities need to flee from the Whites because you're bringing down OUR schools =P Haha! Just kidding!

[basketballakev]

Originally Posted by ndfmnlf

Those people from Europe and Asia didn't swim across oceans to get here. They flew on air conditioned jetliners equipped with modern amenities. So, no....I don't agree that it was harder for them to immigrate than for people who cross the treacherous arid desert along our southern border.

What an idiotic statement. Flying into the US to immigrate illegally is much more difficult and heavily regulated as opposed to coming through the southern border thats why the majority of illegal immigrants happen to be from south of the border.

[basketballakev]

Originally Posted by ndfmnlf

Yes it needs reform. The system has to be liberalized. Open the borders. The only people who should not be allowed to come in are convicted criminals from other countries.

Open the borders eh?