Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > World Forums > Canada
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 06-04-2012, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Cambridge, MA/London, UK
3,863 posts, read 5,289,162 times
Reputation: 3366

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by psulions2007 View Post
The US spends on average a factor of 4 more on healthcare than other western nations.

Canada tops the list of other western nations, but even then the US spends about 3.5 times as much on healthcare.
That is not debatable, the US spends more.

The debate though is how exactly does changing to a single payer instantly lower costs to a reasonable level? Considering that the most efficient systems have multiple payers that leads most people who study this to conclude that the savings cannot be found by reducing payer options.

Overhead savings are a drop in the bucket if you really want to break down why healthcare costs are so high in the US. You also have to look at R&D Investment, Health Status, Income, Ethnicity, Malpractice Insurance, Reimbursement rates and Per capita income if you want a true overview of why costs are what they are.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 06-04-2012, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Hillsboro, OR
2,200 posts, read 4,421,810 times
Reputation: 1386
Quote:
Originally Posted by edwardsyzzurphands View Post
That is not debatable, the US spends more.

The debate though is how exactly does changing to a single payer instantly lower costs to a reasonable level? Considering that the most efficient systems have multiple payers that leads most people who study this to conclude that the savings cannot be found by reducing payer options.

Overhead savings are a drop in the bucket if you really want to break down why healthcare costs are so high in the US. You also have to look at R&D Investment, Health Status, Income, Ethnicity, Malpractice Insurance, Reimbursement rates and Per capita income if you want a true overview of why costs are what they are.
You're forgetting that socialised healthcare is not-for-profit... i.e. companies like Blue Cross/Blue Shield, Humana, Aetna, and corporate hospital chains who are beholden to shareholders and must make profits do not exist in the single-payer system.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-04-2012, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Cambridge, MA/London, UK
3,863 posts, read 5,289,162 times
Reputation: 3366
Quote:
Originally Posted by psulions2007 View Post
You're forgetting that socialised healthcare is not-for-profit... i.e. companies like Blue Cross/Blue Shield, Humana, Aetna, and corporate hospital chains who are beholden to shareholders and must make profits do not exist in the single-payer system.
Actually many of those insurance companies and large hospital systems are classified as Non Profit.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-06-2012, 08:02 PM
 
701 posts, read 1,032,405 times
Reputation: 373
All other developed nations have better and cheaper health care for all their citizens than the US.

This is not debatable.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-10-2012, 12:33 AM
 
Location: The heart of Cascadia
1,327 posts, read 3,180,110 times
Reputation: 848
Moose eh?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-18-2012, 09:14 PM
 
Location: Canada
7,309 posts, read 9,322,889 times
Reputation: 9858
So who has had enough rain already? After a very dry year, a seriously dry spring, it seems we've had nothing but rain in Manitoba for the last 3 weeks. There's no standing water yet, due to how parched the ground here was, and the garden and the fields are looking very good, but I'm getting a little fed up.

And I have some exciting (for me, since I am a dog lover) news to share, since this is a chat thread - my old beagle died in May, and it seems that it is time for another dog (I have 2 German shepherds who are also getting on in years). I had a red heeler years ago and when she died, I couldn't bear to get another heeler but I think I'm finally ready for one. So a new heeler pup will be joining the family around the middle of July and I'll hear the pitter-patter of little feet once again.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-18-2012, 10:16 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
10,016 posts, read 12,576,379 times
Reputation: 9030
I just drove home to Niagara Falls from Moose Jaw and man it seemed like a long way. Just 2900 Km, I mean that's not THAT far but it sure seemed it. I'm just getting old I guess. Anyway, I didn't see to many critters along the way, 2 moose, one fox and a beaver. I have often seen a lot more on that route including wolves, bears, coyotes and lots of others.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-19-2012, 06:10 AM
 
3,059 posts, read 8,283,555 times
Reputation: 3281
Quote:
Originally Posted by netwit View Post
So who has had enough rain already? After a very dry year, a seriously dry spring, it seems we've had nothing but rain in Manitoba for the last 3 weeks. There's no standing water yet, due to how parched the ground here was, and the garden and the fields are looking very good, but I'm getting a little fed up.

And I have some exciting (for me, since I am a dog lover) news to share, since this is a chat thread - my old beagle died in May, and it seems that it is time for another dog (I have 2 German shepherds who are also getting on in years). I had a red heeler years ago and when she died, I couldn't bear to get another heeler but I think I'm finally ready for one. So a new heeler pup will be joining the family around the middle of July and I'll hear the pitter-patter of little feet once again.
Sorry to hear about your beagle Netwit. I had never heard of a red heeler before - they look like lovely dogs - be sure to post pictures when you get him (or her)! Red Heeler Information, Pictures of Red Heelers | Dogster
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-19-2012, 06:45 AM
 
Location: Canada
7,309 posts, read 9,322,889 times
Reputation: 9858
Quote:
Originally Posted by sunshineleith View Post
Sorry to hear about your beagle Netwit. I had never heard of a red heeler before - they look like lovely dogs - be sure to post pictures when you get him (or her)! Red Heeler Information, Pictures of Red Heelers | Dogster
Heelers are also called Australian Cattle dogs and they come in both blue and red colours. The litter I'm looking at has a blue merle mother, and a red heeler for a father. Because I'm on a farm, I was also looking for a dog who would be a good farm dog, and my deceased heeler is a legend around here. When I finished riding (horses), I would hand her the reins and she would lead the horse to the barn. She was something else. I still miss her but enough time has finally passed, where I feel I wouldn't be unfairly comparing a new heeler to my old pooch.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-26-2012, 09:51 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
10,016 posts, read 12,576,379 times
Reputation: 9030
Not too many posts around here lately. Well today is the first day of my 60th year. Man, the last 20 have flown by so fast. I remember how long the first 16 seemed to take, like a lifetime and a half. Can you remember when the summer vacation seemed to be forever. I sure can. Those lazy hazy days just seemed to go on and on and on.

Well, the wifey took me out to dinner at Jimmy Buffet's Margaritaville to celebrate the occassion. The food gets a B- but the service gets an AAA. It was very good. We then wandered across the road to the Fallsview casino for the very first time. It's done up really nicely with awesome fountains and a really great lobby. Anyway we went in and the wife put ten dollars in a slot machine, pulled the lever and got $60 back. I liked that, it payed exactly for the dinner and the tip. $50.
We walked down to the falls and yep they looked the same as last week when I was last down there. Always amazing though. We walked back to the car and the gate were you pay to get out of the parking lot was stuck in the up position. Another bonus, life is good. If the rest of my new decade is as good as the first day I'm laughing.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > World Forums > Canada

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:16 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top