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Old 09-02-2012, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Southern US
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Ok, but after you raise awareness, do you expect some thought and behavior changes from people? If yes, then what kind of change you want to promote? What would be the solutions? Or you just going to inform people that there's a climate change out there? There's also problem with just informing-- people are so compartmentalized with all b.s. global warming MSM propaganda that if you'll just start start telling them something about "climate change", they'll start thinking that taking shorter showers is going to save the earth.

Guess what, neither D. Suzuki nor Al Gore are going to take shorter showers, ride a bicycle to work and live in a 400 sq. feet condo. D. Suzuki is a politicized scientist and a media asset for these crooks to push this carbon tax scam onto people.

thealbertadynamo.com/2011/08/28/more-hypocrisy-from-david-suzuki/

Google "david suzuki scam", "david suzuki fraud", "david suzuki lies". People, don't be so naive, there are all sort of crooks and scumbags out there for our money who get elevated by corrupt system.
I would have to say that I did not know much about suzuki. Someone just told me about him and I used to see his stuff on the weather network channel 22. If he had any kind of issues I don't want to follow in his footsteps because I am just trying to innocently raise awareness of global warming with this walk since people can take some steps towards preventing climate change even if they refuse to take some suggestions.
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Old 09-02-2012, 08:22 PM
 
Location: New York
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I would have to say that I did not know much about suzuki. Someone just told me about him and I used to see his stuff on the weather network channel 22. If he had any kind of issues I don't want to follow in his footsteps because I am just trying to innocently raise awareness of global warming with this walk since people can take some steps towards preventing climate change even if they refuse to take some suggestions.
"Climate change" is kind of a broad term. For instance, I'm not sure how can we affect "global warming" if it's driven largely by the sunspot cycles activity. There are fluctuations in global temperatures caused by imposition of sunspot cycles of various lengths which overlay each other creating peaks and trends and cause changes in climate. There was a medieval warm age and an ice age (where you could skate on lakes and rivers every winter in Europe and there was ice in the seas, depicted by Dutch painters of that time). I don't see how this has anything to do with human activity and what we can do to affect it. There's no evidence that human activity causes changes in climate (CO2 at least). There's evidence, however, that the period with the higher CO2 levels than now, wasn't the warmest one.

At the end of a day, what should we do about global warming?
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Old 09-02-2012, 08:47 PM
 
Location: Southern US
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I was reading that a sudden acceleration in the rate of increase of average global temperatures over the past 50 years has been increasing faster than it has ever in the past. there have been ups and downs much greater than what we have seen, butt the rate of change is faster now than it was back then. this unnatural acceleration in temperatue happens to coincide with the era of human fossil fuel burning and extensive modification of the planet so the only logical explanation is that humans have at least a large part of the responsibility for that sudden rise in temperature.
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Old 09-03-2012, 12:18 AM
 
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Luckily, despite the level of ignorance in this thread, only 2% of Canadians don't believe in Global Warming, and only 9% believe it's only due to natural occurrences.

Only 2 per cent of Canadians don

So, OP, don't be discouraged by certain people on this forum. Most Canadians are of the fact-accepting kind. There's always going to be a few people who will reject any kind of fact that scares them, but there's usually little you can do to convince them.

A very good resource for dealing with climate change deniers (for future reference):
How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic: Responses to the most common skeptical arguments on global warming | Grist

Good luck with your campaign; I wish more people did stuff like this.
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Old 09-03-2012, 12:35 AM
 
Location: Canada
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A very good resource for dealing with climate change deniers (for future reference):
How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic: Responses to the most common skeptical arguments on global warming | Grist
Thanks for posting that.

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Old 09-03-2012, 02:24 AM
 
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I was reading that a sudden acceleration in the rate of increase of average global temperatures over the past 50 years has been increasing faster than it has ever in the past. there have been ups and downs much greater than what we have seen, butt the rate of change is faster now than it was back then. this unnatural acceleration in temperatue happens to coincide with the era of human fossil fuel burning and extensive modification of the planet so the only logical explanation is that humans have at least a large part of the responsibility for that sudden rise in temperature.

Keep us updated on how the walk goes...
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Old 09-03-2012, 04:28 AM
 
Location: Southern US
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Luckily, despite the level of ignorance in this thread, only 2% of Canadians don't believe in Global Warming, and only 9% believe it's only due to natural occurrences.

Only 2 per cent of Canadians don

So, OP, don't be discouraged by certain people on this forum. Most Canadians are of the fact-accepting kind. There's always going to be a few people who will reject any kind of fact that scares them, but there's usually little you can do to convince them.

A very good resource for dealing with climate change deniers (for future reference):
How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic: Responses to the most common skeptical arguments on global warming | Grist

Good luck with your campaign; I wish more people did stuff like this.
Thanks for your positive reply. I was researching a lot to see if global warming really was of concern in Canada. I am glad you informed on this. You were right about those denyers. There was someone living in my house that argued that it is just a myth. I could not convince him, but I thought that at least most people are not that way.
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Old 09-03-2012, 04:31 AM
 
Location: Southern US
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Keep us updated on how the walk goes...
I will be sure to update on how well it goes. I am sure I will inspire a lot of people to think green! Since I will be walking every street of Toronto to do it, if you see someone walking with a camera and global warming hat and logo, that would be me!

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Old 09-03-2012, 04:59 AM
 
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Not to dissuade your noble efforts Santaronto but I'm a bit worried about your actual knowledge of the global warming issue, you had a very good opportunity to debate vigorously your side of the issue with forum member The Tourist who basically represents the opposite view as yours(its all a hoax) your response was rather weak/tepid and lacking in any fact or conviction as if your only knowledge of the issue was watching Al Gores movie an inconvenient truth,if you are going to make any inroads addressing your passion for the issue you'll be meeting many people with The Tourists point of view,you 're going to have to come up with a more dynamic response if you are to be taken seriously or expect to make any inroads to change .
Good luck..
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Old 09-03-2012, 05:34 AM
 
Location: Southern US
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Not to dissuade your noble efforts Santaronto but I'm a bit worried about your actual knowledge of the global warming issue, you had a very good opportunity to debate vigorously your side of the issue with forum member The Tourist who basically represents the opposite view as yours(its all a hoax) your response was rather weak/tepid and lacking in any fact or conviction as if your only knowledge of the issue was watching Al Gores movie an inconvenient truth,if you are going to make any inroads addressing your passion for the issue you'll be meeting many people with The Tourists point of view,you 're going to have to come up with a more dynamic response if you are to be taken seriously or expect to make any inroads to change .
Good luck..
Thanks for reminding me. I will try to be concious of how I support the arguemnt of global warming reality especially if I end up on tv later on for my big global warming walk . Although there are many people maybe most that I won't need to argue with to begin with because they understand that global warming is happening.
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