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Old 02-21-2013, 08:41 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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You know it's interesting when you look at some of the rumors about barack obama's heritage that go around in the US, about he's a muslim and so forth. I was wondering if anybody in Canada ever questions the loyalties of french-canadian politicians, especially a prime minister in the same way. I know that Pierre Trudeau was very popular and nobody questioned his loyalty but what about for ex. Jean Chretien?
AH NO we don't suspect their loyalties.
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Old 07-16-2013, 11:28 AM
 
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I think he was a man whose loyalty to Canada is often questioned. He is often viewed as being too pro-American and overly cosy with Reagan. Oddly, many Quebeckers view him as an anglophone, while people outside Quebec sometimes view him as a French-Canadian prime minister. In any case, the Airbus fiasco and his subsequent suing of the Canadian government showed his true loyalty to big business and personal financial gain. He did nothing to quell separatist ambitions and opened the doors for the Americanization of Canada through NAFTA. Bon débarras.
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Old 07-16-2013, 11:46 AM
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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Jean Chretien was involved in politics for decades before his premiership. If anyone living in the world today is loyal to Canada, it's him.
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Old 07-16-2013, 08:57 PM
 
Location: Canada
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I think he was a man whose loyalty to Canada is often questioned. He is often viewed as being too pro-American and overly cosy with Reagan. Oddly, many Quebeckers view him as an anglophone, while people outside Quebec sometimes view him as a French-Canadian prime minister. In any case, the Airbus fiasco and his subsequent suing of the Canadian government showed his true loyalty to big business and personal financial gain. He did nothing to quell separatist ambitions and opened the doors for the Americanization of Canada through NAFTA. Bon débarras.
Mulroney? The only thing I suspected him of was loyalty to himself. I can't stand that man.

But I don't think that any prime minister has ever been suspected of having loyalties to a foreign country, which I think is what the OP means.
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Old 07-18-2013, 11:55 AM
 
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We've tried all of that already. The francophone psychological retrenchment onto Quebec territory in the 1960s, which you describe as hiding in a cave, was the direct result of efforts to assimilate francophones across Canada and indifference and even hostility to anything French.

I will agree that there is less hostility to French today in the rest of Canada than before, but I see little sincere interest in embracing French Canadian culture the way, say, African-American culture is embraced across the US. At best there is a willingness on the part of English Canada to let francophones do their own thing unhindered, so this can be said to be an improvement I guess. But don't ask the ROCers to pay any attention to our stuff - that's too much to ask.

Anyway, it's hard to imagine people in English Canada being interested in stuff in French when getting them interested in Canadian stuff produced in their own language is often like pulling teeth. If they don't want watch Canadian Idol and the Juno Awards, why in the hell would they pay attention to Star Académie and le Gala de l'ADISQ?
I agree with much of this. The expectation that ROC will adopt some deep interest in Quebec culture is not going to happen under current conditions. African-American culture is different because they are entrenched all over the country in very fabric of life and society, whereas Quebec and French-speaking Canada remains a very contained group. The ROC views Quebec as a French province and everyone is fine with that. But language and geography, combined with separatist rumbings, a penchant for socialist-type (even for Canada ) policies, and what sometimes appear to be zealous attempts to promote French and suppress English does not create an atmosphere where English speakers will want to go out of their way to follow Quebecois things which are in a different language to begin with. Even if they did, it may not resonate with ROC anyways.
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Old 07-18-2013, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan
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Well I am a Westerner who thought well of both Trudeau and Chretien.

I also hate all the Western Canadian myths re Trudeau and his one fingered salute.
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Old 07-18-2013, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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Was Brian Mulroney popular in Quebec? I didn't learn until recently that he came from a small town and was bilingual, but he was also a friend of President Reagan, leading some people (myself included) to think he was the Canadian Reagan.
He was the one who's loyalties to Canada are suspect.
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