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Old 06-06-2013, 12:58 PM
pdw
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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There are a lot of things that influence people's opinions on abortion, euthanasia and other issues. Just because religion is one of the reason's you have a certain opinion doesn't make your viewpoint any less valid. In a democratic society, things are decided by the will of the people. If the people are religious and they vote for something based on their beliefs, you can't take that away. That is autocracy. Being religious doesn't invalidate your right to participate in the democratic system.
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Old 06-06-2013, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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There are a lot of things that influence people's opinions on abortion,
euthanasia and other issues. Just because religion is one of the reason's you
have a certain opinion doesn't make your viewpoint any less valid.
A viewpoint based on magic is not valid, IMO. Your mileage may vary.
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Old 06-06-2013, 01:18 PM
pdw
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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The world doesn't revolve around anti-theists and their prejudiced views of religious people. If the people vote for a law, it's the law. Bottom line.
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Old 06-06-2013, 01:21 PM
 
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There are a lot of things that influence people's opinions on abortion, euthanasia and other issues. Just because religion is one of the reason's you have a certain opinion doesn't make your viewpoint any less valid. In a democratic society, things are decided by the will of the people. If the people are religious and they vote for something based on their beliefs, you can't take that away. That is autocracy. Being religious doesn't invalidate your right to participate in the democratic system.
It's not just about the viewpoint, it's how you came to have that viewpoint.
There's a difference between someone who says the Federal Bank should print more money because they've analyzed the issue and think that that would be an effective move, and someone who says "Hey, why don't we just print more money?"

Similarly, you can't tell someone that they can't offer a service (prostitution), end their own life (euthanasia), or purge a parasite from their body (abortion) just because you don't like it.
Democracy must be balanced with human rights. Remember most people were opposed to slavery and voting rights for certain groups in the past.

This is not something that only religious people do, but being religious often means not forming your own opinion.

Courts are moving more and more towards legalizing things that are currently illegal mostly because they offend certain people's morals.
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Old 06-06-2013, 01:24 PM
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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attention world: Religious people shouldn't be allowed to vote
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Old 06-06-2013, 01:28 PM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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Similarly, you can't tell someone that they can't offer a service (prostitution), end their own life (euthanasia), or purge a parasite from their body (abortion) just because you don't like it.
Democracy must be balanced with human rights. Remember most people were opposed to slavery and voting rights for certain groups in the past.
There is a point where you have to draw a line on the whole "live and let live" thing
Prostitution is fine, i'm torn on euthanasia, but killing an unborn human is kind of crossing the line.
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Old 06-06-2013, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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The world doesn't revolve around anti-theists and their prejudiced views of religious people. If the people vote for a law, it's the law. Bottom line.
You should tell all the gay-marriage and abortion protestors that.
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Old 06-06-2013, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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There is a point where you have to draw a line on the whole "live and let live" thing
Prostitution is fine, i'm torn on euthanasia, but killing an unborn human is kind of crossing the line.
Why?
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Old 06-06-2013, 01:47 PM
 
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attention world: Religious people shouldn't be allowed to vote
Nobody said that. It's just that their views should not be taken seriously. And that religion should go extinct.

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There is a point where you have to draw a line on the whole "live and let live" thing
Prostitution is fine, i'm torn on euthanasia, but killing an unborn human is kind of crossing the line.
I don't see why you would be torn over euthanasia. A person's life is their own. If they want to end it, let them end it.

A fetus is not a human. It's a parasite that lives inside a woman.

A fetus is non-fully-formed person, and it has no memories it wouldn't have eventually forgotten. There's no need to cry over its abortion.

Even assuming it's impossible to determine exactly when a fetus becomes a human, we do know that a woman is alive. Hence, the woman's rights trump those of the fetus.
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Old 06-06-2013, 02:20 PM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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I don't see why you would be torn over euthanasia. A person's life is their own. If they want to end it, let them end it.
Imagine if they changed their mind when its too late.

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A fetus is not a human. It's a parasite that lives inside a woman.

A fetus is non-fully-formed person, and it has no memories it wouldn't have eventually forgotten. There's no need to cry over its abortion.

Even assuming it's impossible to determine exactly when a fetus becomes a human, we do know that a woman is alive. Hence, the woman's rights trump those of the fetus.
A fetus is just one stage of human life.
Fetus
Baby
Toddler
Teenager
Adult
Elder
A fetus may just be a cell but it is a human cell.
Our brains are not fully develop until age 25 so why cant we legally kill people who are younger than 25?
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