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Old 05-10-2013, 01:04 PM
 
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Is it now the case that some of Canada's oldest churches are catering to a largely immigrant congregation?
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Old 05-10-2013, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Can I ask you something? You start a LOT of threads asking questions about Canada. Are you planning to move here?
Oh, and yes.
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Old 05-10-2013, 06:16 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Catering to immigrants or simply ageing and dieing out.
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Old 05-11-2013, 09:06 AM
 
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Sounds terrible.
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Old 05-11-2013, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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Sounds terrible.
What sounds terrible? That new immigrants are making up the majority of congregations in many parts of Canada? Or that many parishes are simply dying out from lack of a congregation?

In Canada, it's really just Chrsitianity that is suffering - other religions are doing fine. And the reason Christian denominations are having such a hard time attracting worshippers is because most denominations have refused to modernize and allow their Church to grow and adapt to modern society. Basically, they have made themselves irrelevant.

As an example, I am a very spiritual person who was raised Catholic. But the way the Church protected child abusers and allowed them to perpetrate crimes over decades knowing full well that they were serial abusers, and never offering a sincere apology to the victims afterwards or doing anything to truly repent for this grave sin (and instead covering their flanks with lawyers and obfuscations at every turn) was one of the big reasons I turned my back on the Church. They also refuse to accept any kind of birth control as acceptable despite the rampant overpopulation problem this world is facing; they refuse to allow priests to marry despite the fact that the Vatican knows that more than 50% of priests are not fulfilling their vows of chastity at any given time; they won't allow women to be priests and insist that homosexuality is a grave sin. All of this, plus a nearly two thousand year record of brutality, prejudice, corruption, hypocrisy, avarice, and some of the worst crimes against humanity in Western history makes me think the Catholic Church (and many other denominations) are just reaping what they've sown. They are no longer about promoting Christ's teachings - they have created their own interpretation of what "true" Christianity is, and as someone who has studied early Christian writings (including all the Gospels, not just the canonical ones) I can tell you that most deonominations are so far from Jesus' original message, they may as well be another religion.

Even in Quebec, formerly one of the most Catholic places on the planet, churches are empty. And I hope they stay that way until the Church changes, remembers what it's true mission is, offers restitution to the victims of pedophile priests, residential schools, etc., ordains women, accepts gays into the fold, allows priests to marry, and goes back to Christ's teachings as the foundation of everything they do.

In the mean time, the churches should be happy to have anyone filling their pews here in Canada.
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Old 05-11-2013, 02:45 PM
 
Location: B.C., Canada
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Religion in Canada

Is it now the case that some of Canada's oldest churches are catering to a largely immigrant congregation?
Except for First Nations people everybody in Canada is an immigrant or the offspring of immigrants. Even the churches are immigrants. Old immigrants die, just like old churches die, then new immigrants and new churches take their places.

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Sounds terrible.
I'd be tempted to ask you why it sounds terrible to you but I doubt you'd answer because I know you don't like to answer to and usually ignore any questions asked of you.

I guess it just sounds terrible to you, maybe because of who you are and where you live. Religion and churches and congregations (or the lack of them) aren't as important to most people in Canada the way it is to so many people in the States. It may have been more important here in the past but not any more. For most Canadians that is a good thing and a blessed relief from religious criticism, hypocrisy and judgementalism. Canadians are free to worship in their own ways as they please and are just more relaxed and laid back about it without letting it rule their lives or colour the way they view other people's cultures and religions.

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Old 05-11-2013, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Personally, I would love to have one of those cathedral-turned-condo homes, but alas, they're out of my price range.

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Old 05-11-2013, 03:54 PM
 
Location: B.C., Canada
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That is beautiful. I could live with that.

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Old 05-11-2013, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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^^^^they have quite a few of those in TO as well. Damn expensive to have a stained glass in your unit. I actually remember when they did one of the very first church rehabs in Riverdale and so many people were saying it wouldn't work, that no one would pay big bucks to live in an old church. Guess who was wrong.
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Old 05-11-2013, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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What sounds terrible? That new immigrants are making up the majority of congregations in many parts of Canada? Or that many parishes are simply dying out from lack of a congregation?

In Canada, it's really just Chrsitianity that is suffering - other religions are doing fine. And the reason Christian denominations are having such a hard time attracting worshippers is because most denominations have refused to modernize and allow their Church to grow and adapt to modern society. Basically, they have made themselves irrelevant.

As an example, I am a very spiritual person who was raised Catholic. But the way the Church protected child abusers and allowed them to perpetrate crimes over decades knowing full well that they were serial abusers, and never offering a sincere apology to the victims afterwards or doing anything to truly repent for this grave sin (and instead covering their flanks with lawyers and obfuscations at every turn) was one of the big reasons I turned my back on the Church. They also refuse to accept any kind of birth control as acceptable despite the rampant overpopulation problem this world is facing; they refuse to allow priests to marry despite the fact that the Vatican knows that more than 50% of priests are not fulfilling their vows of chastity at any given time; they won't allow women to be priests and insist that homosexuality is a grave sin. All of this, plus a nearly two thousand year record of brutality, prejudice, corruption, hypocrisy, avarice, and some of the worst crimes against humanity in Western history makes me think the Catholic Church (and many other denominations) are just reaping what they've sown. They are no longer about promoting Christ's teachings - they have created their own interpretation of what "true" Christianity is, and as someone who has studied early Christian writings (including all the Gospels, not just the canonical ones) I can tell you that most deonominations are so far from Jesus' original message, they may as well be another religion.

Even in Quebec, formerly one of the most Catholic places on the planet, churches are empty. And I hope they stay that way until the Church changes, remembers what it's true mission is, offers restitution to the victims of pedophile priests, residential schools, etc., ordains women, accepts gays into the fold, allows priests to marry, and goes back to Christ's teachings as the foundation of everything they do.

In the mean time, the churches should be happy to have anyone filling their pews here in Canada.
Sounds just like my history and reasoning for leaving the Catholic Church.
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