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That's why nothing in his response offends me. I had to engage him once, answer the bell, but I don't need to keep debating with him as if taking him and his outlook seriously. If he wants more responses out of me he'll have to troll really, really hard; maybe even do it from under a bridge, wave a troll doll.
Oddly enough, I hope he'll sell me that troll doll for a very Canadian reason. One of my friends up in BC is very predictable in some of his paths of conversation, and one of his favorite themes is "we always get screwed by the U.S." (Not that it's never true, but he's just doing it to troll me in a fun-intending way.) Anyway, his wife agrees (he also loves to troll about women's inferiority) and I'm going to obtain a troll doll for next time they come visit, and when he begins, pull the doll out and smile and wave it. "It's easier than a long debate."
Now you're calling me a troll because my rebuttal shows just how silly it is to defend monarchy over democracy.
Yepper's I understand completely. His motivation is clearly defined and stated elsewhere: "There's a war out there". As stated before I think he spends too much time playing Resident Evil.
As regards your next visit with your Canadian friends:
Maybe a 'work-up' on the Jeff Foxworthy theme: "you might be a Canadian if your trailer still has it's wheels...You think 2nd Amendment right means you get to use white-out to correct a typing mistake on your computer screen...etc., etc..
Culminating with a "T" shirt presentation of "here's your sign"!
My motivation is very simple: I don't like the unfair bashing of the US. And I don't like Monarchy. So much for your conspiracy theory.
And there is a war out there, especially when you have a side that will defend monarchy at all costs.
I enjoy hearing people's stories and where they come from. Perhaps you would get a better response if you explained more of your thinking.
But I think perhaps your family and friends would now tell you that there is a happy medium between telling the truth all the time and lying non-stop to spare feelings. People have also tried to tell you truths in this thread - things you need to hear and haven't been met with a very receptive response or even an indication that you understand the subject.
I understand what you're saying, but I believe some issues should have no compromise, and monarchy is one of them. I like Canada, which is why I want to see my northern neighbors monarchy free.
Have you not been reading the thread, I've given scenarios multiple times as well as actually providing examples of how the unelected monarchy has used their unchecked executive powers in the UK:
It's very possible that there's a similar Canadian list just as long or longer.
You gotta be kidding , first your link has nothing to do with Canada and secondly your list represents symbolic approval or disapproval's from the Royal family on various issues, a veritable by appointment to her majesty a totally meaningless procedural relic from the past,
Your whole hate on the monarchy thingy seems to imply that Americas system of pseudo freedoms is a better form of government than Canadas, wake up to reality dude you're living in a very violent armed camp thats on the verge of going bankrupt,over run by illegals,a place where half the people pay no taxes and half the people are considered an entitlement class,then theirs rampant hate,racism and poverty in abundance and you are now seriously holding this form of monarchy free government up as a model people should seek to emulate? Basically all i'm seeing is your opinion with very few facts,
So again some examples of what is the monarchy going to force Canada to do that it doesnt want to do?
I understand what you're saying, but I believe some issues should have no compromise, and monarchy is one of them. I like Canada, which is why I want to see my northern neighbors monarchy free.
Again more opinions,maybe i'll throw a couple out there,
I'd like to see my southern neighbors become a gun free society, i'd like to see the second amendment scrapped Along with any form of stand your ground law.
I'd like to see our southern neighbors stop thinking themselves the worlds policeman and getting itself into other peoples conflicts.
Or thinking the American way is the best and every one should Strive to emulate the American way.
As for your "I want to see my northern neighbors monarchy free" dont worry we got everything under control and to our liking.input from southern neighbors like you is irrelevant and totally unnecessary, we got no problem with the monarchy,it seems only you have a problem with the monarchy...
Drknoble If you really want to take up the banner of Captain Freedom read some stories about the Quebec separatist government's ideas of freedom. Quebec Language Laws
I swore allegiance to the Queen without meaning any of it. It is a formality to get your citizenship. Get over it. The Queen has less to do with Canada than the US secretary of state.
Those who think having a queen makes Canada less democratic is being simply stupid.
I swore allegiance to the Queen without meaning any of it. It is a formality to get your citizenship. Get over it. The Queen has less to do with Canada than the US secretary of state.
Those who think having a queen makes Canada less democratic is being simply stupid.
Seems every one gets it except our op..Who i suspect started this topic with the expectations of stirring up a veritable cauldron of heated pro and anti monarchy passions of Canadians have for the monarchy ,
i'd say the exercise was a total dud as the only one with any anti monarchy passions is our op..
Seems every one gets it except our op..Who i suspect started this topic with the expectations of stirring up a veritable cauldron of heated pro and anti monarchy passions of Canadians have for the monarchy ,
i'd say the exercise was a total dud as the only one with any anti monarchy passions is our op..
Agreed Jambo. We are wasting time with "this one".
Regardless of as much evidence to the contrary as one could possibly have garnered from this thread; "this one" still returns with the already beat to death surmisal that the Monarchy is "stifling democracy in Canada".
Not to mentions he chose Canada as his target for special villification when there are so many other countries still having a Monarchial presence AND who, it could be effectively argued, show a greater respect and practical enactment of democracy than the one he associates with being the very exemplar of that feature.
In order for his denouncement to have traction it should have been made clear at the outset we were not going to take him seriously until he managed to prove the superiority of his "brand" of democracy. A tough task, if not impossible, given current events.
I attempted on any number of occasions to compare with examples but of course got chided by a reasoned minded Canadian about making it all about the U.S. when in fact that is exactly what the O/P is all about, as witnessd by:
The comment "there's a war out there people and it's because they envy us in one form or another" should be all anybody needs read to understand where this one is coming from with regard to this and all future posts in the Canadian section. His X-Box has gone to his head.
Those of us around the planet already living within 'actually functioning' democracies and having the ability to compare them to "his" have shown remarkable restraint from simply calling his post bullcrap at the outset.
I would refer the O/P to Al-Jazeera and one of their many forums if he is serious about engaging any country OTHER than a functioning democracy in debating the merits of "his" example compared with one that is genuinely engaged in a "war' with it.
Oooopsy, that might bring with it some actual risk and retaliation as opposed to the reasoned restrained discussion from the envious country he's declared they're at "war" with to his north.
Simple reality: if he'd wanted to provoke thoughtful discussion without becoming a troll doll, he could have. One only barges in using the sort of language he did when one's goal is to provoke and troll. The easiest way to start a real discussion would be to ask a question: what powers does the Queen have, through her GG, under Canadian law? Someone here would know that answer and offer it. That goes to the heart of the discussion, and it could then be discussed whether there is a democracy issue or not.
Of course, the underlying assumption no one ever questions is that democracy must surely be the most perfect and only worthwhile form of government in existence, and that more democracy is always better to begin with. I think that premise is open to question. What isn't reasonably open to question is whether it works well in Canada, because evidence indicates it does, and evidence indicates that Canada is more democratic than the US (if democracy is in fact some holy grail) in function and reality. So if Canada has more democracy with a constitutional monarch than the US has without it--and while that's a matter of opinion, I could give evidence for it--then the idea that the Canadian monarchy is fundamentally undemocratic is blown away by evidence. Not least of which is that I'm pretty sure Canadians would not tolerate the monarchy interfering with democracy (if it even can, which I doubt). If it did, all of you who are neutral or indifferent about the monarchy might pick a side, and vocally so.
We could always just discuss the subject thoughtfully and ignore the troll, who needs to go back to his high school debate team and listen to his coach. It's not a bad topic for the forum. I myself would like to know what specific powers the Queen/GG have under law in Canada. My assumption is that whatever they are, they are held by the Queen and delegated to the GG, who is nowadays always a Canadian and has been for many years. In short, that the Queen can exercise them any time she wants, but that it's a lot more convenient--and respectful of her Canadian subjects--to appoint one of them to represent her authority. (I assume the Queen chooses the GG, anyway. I could be wrong about that, too.)
Addendum: I grant that the monarchy isn't a topic of controversy in Canada, and don't mean to imply that it is. Just trying to make something educational (for me, if no one else) of the process, and to help steer it back north. So to speak.
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I enjoy hearing people's stories and where they come from. Perhaps you would get a better response if you explained more of your thinking.
