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How about linking to a quote somewhere of a Canadian suggesting banning guns in the U.S. would immediately solve a problem, any problem.
Canadians of all stripes are well aware of the societal problems the U.S. faces as well as their origins and none that I know have ever suggested the banning of firearms would erase any of those.
You are willfully conflating our desire to maintain a society in Canada where handguns are not needed for self protection with any suggestion an absence of firearms would magically solve any of the moral and ethical problems facing either the U.S. OR Canada.
The 'viewed ignorance' you speak of would lessen considerably if you spent less time in front of your mirror preening.
You should be more embarrassed over your silly pandering sucking up than you should be over the admittedly rather strange concept of walking around calling yourself a Canadian.......er,...do you really do that?
Now that was fun.
Dude, with all due respect BruSan, I can't even read or understand what you are saying in half of your posts including this one.
BTW, I can't speak for Boston, but I've lived in Metro Detroit and Metro Nashville. Never heard of having to obtain a permit from any "warden" to be able to plant a tree on one's property. We've planted several trees on our properties. Haven't been arrested yet.
Thanks, you saved me a lot of typing. Yes, I could see Americans voting for a Moslem to run a town. Wasn't it only a few years back that people were telling Americans they would never vote for an African-American as president...? Turned out they were wrong not once but twice, but now the goalposts have been conveniently moved.
"He isn't arguing with numbers. He said that there are specific groups of people who commit gun crimes in America. If you are a white person, your chance of ever being shot in America is about the same as in Canada."
Sorry, that's not accurate. Ethnically homogenous, largely rural and gun-loving North Dakota has a much higher gun homicide rate per capita than Toronto, which is notable because in every other part of the world, urban areas have higher crime rates. White people in America shoot people more than they should, too. Because they have more guns.
BTW, I can't speak for Boston, but I've lived in Metro Detroit and Metro Nashville. Never heard of having to obtain a permit from any "warden" to be able to plant a tree on one's property. We've planted several trees on our properties. Haven't been arrested yet.
Sorry but are you being facetious here? In order to get a Muslim mayor there the place had to first become a Muslim-majority city? You use this as an example right after I said, "Can you see a Muslim being elected mayor without Muslims being the demographic majority?"
..... thanks for the lulz?
At the end of the day, this is all a theoretical exercise but as someone who has travelled to America no less than 50 times in 30 years and IS an ethnic minority myself, I am pretty confident in what I say, I've seen and analyzed the data and absolutely will not change my opinion. There are some good things about the States; I actually would go so far as to say that when it comes to professional advancement, America is more of a meritocracy than Canada is. It is much harder to break through the respective glass ceilings as an immigrant, nonwhite person or possibly even as a woman in Canada than in the United States. There is a reason that Asians have the highest income out of all ethnic groups (save for Jews) in America and do not in Canada despite having equally high levels of educational attainment in both countries. In spite of this, I would still never willingly live there, and would prefer the respective cultures be preserved as much as possible, mainly for social reasons. Because, and I know this may shock a lot of Americans to hear but money isn't everything.
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Sorry, I have to say something. This rant is precisely why even the most reasonable EU type arrangement will never happen. As this rant shows many Canadians (many) have bought into propaganda hook line and sinker and many have been indoctrinated with an almost hilarious level of anti-American nonsense. It's not so much that they think the US is a lot crappier and more dangerous than it really is, it's that their mind is completely closed off yet they claim to be tolerant, and will find any evidence that will support whatever conclusion they want to be true (Torontocheeka). Half of these people saying "Americans are like X and Canadians are like Y" conveniently forget that Quebec is practically another country, and once you take Quebec out of the US vs Canada comparison you are left with world views that are extremely similar. Canadians look a lot more liberal only thanks to Quebec, but the truth is that very few non-Quebecois ever associate with French Canadians during their lifetime and know almost nothing about us as a society. Until it's time to make Canada look different from America and then all the sudden these anglos use Quebec is used as proof of Canada's tolerance, diversity and bilingualism (as opposed to the racist, diversity-hating Americans )...It's almost always brainwashed "leftist" Canadians who make no effort to know the French Canadian province next door but claim to be "multicultural" simply because we exist. By the way I'm not pro-American or anti-Canada, but I can see how completely indoctrinated and biased against Americans many anglo Canadians are when it comes to discussing Americans in any capacity.
I never once claimed that Canada (English or otherwise) is a panacea. There are problems with Canada. They would be made worse by amalgamating with the U.S. You are using emotion and conjecture - no data of course - to try and deflect from this reality, but it is a fact. We have historical precedent now with the E.U. for how smaller nations are actually harmed by having their economy swallowed up in this way, and in every measurable, statistical value in the social dimensions, Americans score worse than we do. So we literally gain nothing from amalgamating with them, and in fact only take on risk (including risk to our environment by losing the ability to make sovereign decisions that affect our own habitat).
Also, what on earth...? Canadians only look more liberal thanks to Quebec? I didn't read the whole thread. May I ask who used Quebec specifically as an example of Canadian liberalism? I posted a NATIONAL poll, it did not say anything about Quebec specifically. When we say that gay marriage has been legal here since 2004, that's nationally, not just in Quebec. I think you like many of your province's peers may be suffering from some post-colonial jealousy there, my friend.
(It may behoove some of you to know that many Quebecois fully hate us English-Canadians to the extent that if we go there, and we ask for directions in English instead of French, they will give us the wrong directions... on purpose). I'm really not surprised by your using this conversation as an opportunity to stoke the fires of your Anglo-Canadian hatred, but it's really not relevant here.
Yes, we have issues with the bilingual culture, as we can see. Can you explain to me how taking on another nation's issues and potentially a third official language will help these matters?
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He isn't arguing with numbers. He said that there are specific groups of people who commit gun crimes in America. If you are a white person, your chance of ever being shot in America is about the same as in Canada.
Sorry, that's not accurate. Ethnically homogenous, largely rural and gun-loving North Dakota has a much higher gun homicide rate per capita than Toronto, which is notable because in every other part of the world, urban areas have higher crime rates. White people in America shoot people more than they should, too. Because they have more guns.
You cherry picked North Dakota, but you still fall short again. North Dakota is heavily native, and blacker than even Canada's blackest province. Homogeneous? North Dakota is only a little bit whiter than Canada as a whole so you must consider Canada homogeneous too. It is very homogeneous by American standards but outside of major cities most Canadian towns are lily white. Not the case in the US. Those who have the violent crime rates that make North Dakota look more dangerous than Toronto are because of those minorities. There are few aboriginals in Toronto, but let's look at Winnipeg and suddenly it starts to look a lot like the "dangerous" American cities. The same pattern is present among minorities in Canada that are native or black who both have disproportionately high murder rates but they form a much smaller percentage of Canada's population so Canada is on paper less murders than the US.
The white American homicide rate of 2.5 murders per 100,000 is comparable to Norway's homicide rate of 2.2 per 100,000. Fact.
You also didn't address that the African-American and native murder rates are higher due to historical legacies. There is little that indicates that Canada has less murders because of superior government like you claimed but there is a lot that shows Canada has less murders due to the absence of certain minorities in numbers of any consequences. So because of this I am 99.9% certain that if we moved the inhabitants of inner city Detroit to Windsorh, then Windsor would begin to experience crime similar to Detroit.
You cherry picked North Dakota, but you still fall short again. North Dakota is heavily native, and blacker than even Canada's blackest province. Homogeneous? North Dakota is only a little bit whiter than Canada as a whole so you must consider Canada homogeneous too. It is very homogeneous by American standards but outside of major cities most Canadian towns are lily white. Not the case in the US. Those who have the violent crime rates that make North Dakota look more dangerous than Toronto are because of those minorities. There are few aboriginals in Toronto, but let's look at Winnipeg and suddenly it starts to look a lot like the "dangerous" American cities. The same pattern is present among minorities in Canada that are native or black who both have disproportionately high murder rates but they form a much smaller percentage of Canada's population so Canada is on paper less murders than the US.
The white American homicide rate of 2.5 murders per 100,000 is comparable to Norway's homicide rate of 2.2 per 100,000. Fact.
You also didn't address that the African-American and native murder rates are higher due to historical legacies. There is little that indicates that Canada has less murders because of superior government like you claimed but there is a lot that shows Canada has less murders due to the absence of certain minorities in numbers of any consequences. So because of this I am 99.9% certain that if we moved the inhabitants of inner city Detroit to Windsorh, then Windsor would begin to experience crime similar to Detroit.
I only "cherry-picked" North Dakota in the sense that they have an extremely high gun ownership rate, and are statistically 90% white, considerably more white than 50% white Toronto. 1.2% of North Dakota's residents are black, compared to 9% of Toronto residents, but nice attempt at scapegoating.
I am looking to verify what you said (if you could provide your source, that would be great) about the white homicide rate in America. By the way, if it is in fact 2.5 per 100,000, that still makes it roughly double Canada's - minorities included.
I never once claimed that Canada (English or otherwise) is a panacea. There are problems with Canada. They would be made worse by amalgamating with the U.S. You are using emotion and conjecture - no data of course - to try and deflect from this reality, but it is a fact. We have historical precedent now with the E.U. for how smaller nations are actually harmed by having their economy swallowed up in this way, and in every measurable, statistical value in the social dimensions, Americans score worse than we do. So we literally gain nothing from amalgamating with them, and in fact only take on risk (including risk to our environment by losing the ability to make sovereign decisions that affect our own habitat).
Also, what on earth...? Canadians only look more liberal thanks to Quebec? I didn't read the whole thread. May I ask who used Quebec specifically as an example of Canadian liberalism? I posted a NATIONAL poll, it did not say anything about Quebec specifically. When we say that gay marriage has been legal here since 2004, that's nationally, not just in Quebec. I think you like many of your province's peers may be suffering from some post-colonial jealousy there, my friend.
(It may behoove some of you to know that many Quebecois fully hate us English-Canadians to the extent that if we go there, and we ask for directions in English instead of French, they will give us the wrong directions... on purpose). I'm really not surprised by using this conversation as an opportunity to stoke the fires of your Anglo-Canadian hatred, but it's really not relevant here.
Yes, we have issues with the bilingual culture, as we can see. Can you explain to me how taking on another nation's issues and potentially a third official language will help these matters?
Post-colonial jealousy? You just described anglo Canada in a nutshell, always jealous of Americans and know they floor you in almost every feasible way, so you guys create mythologies about being exceptionally politey. Mythologies that people who are more familiar with Canada and the US know are *******s. Most outsiders who are familiar with Canada and the US tend to come to this same conclusion. I'm sorry, if I hate Canada as you say then I would support seperation yet I am staunchly for a united Canada or Canada + Quebec. Good try though, because you are the one making outstanding comparisons to the US which anyone who knows better can easily call bull**** on.
What I meant by taking out Quebec is that on polls Canadians appear less religious than Americans because of Quebec. Leftist Canadians like to take these research polls as evidence of being more liberal Americans, but when you compare anglo Canadians vs. Americans, their values are almost exactly the same. About the same percentage of religious people and the same percentage who view socialism as a force for good (et cetera). What you guys like to conveniently ignore is that Quebec makes Canadians look much more liberal than they really are when in reality Quebec operates almost as a different country especially when it comes to culture, and the values of Quebec are entirely foreign in the ROC.
So no, the average anglo Canadian and the average American have far more in common with Americans than you'd like to admit, and Canada really isn't all that liberal. Quebec is very liberal compared to America. Not so much the ROC. Maybe slightly so but people who talk about Canada as if it is a left wing paradise are selling a country that doesn't exist.
Post-colonial jealousy? You just described anglo Canada in a nutshell, always jealous of Americans and know they floor you in almost every feasible way, so you guys create mythologies about being exceptionally politey. Mythologies that people who are more familiar with Canada and the US know are *******s. Most outsiders who are familiar with Canada and the US tend to come to this same conclusion. I'm sorry, if I hate Canada as you say then I would support seperation yet I am staunchly for a united Canada or Canada + Quebec. Good try though, because you are the one making outstanding comparisons to the US which anyone who knows better can easily call bull**** on.
What I meant by taking out Quebec is that on polls Canadians appear less religious than Americans because of Quebec. Leftist Canadians like to take these research polls as evidence of being more liberal Americans, but when you compare anglo Canadians vs. Americans, their values are almost exactly the same. About the same percentage of religious people and the same percentage who view socialism as a force for good (et cetera). What you guys like to conveniently ignore is that Quebec makes Canadians look much more liberal than they really are when in reality Quebec operates almost as a different country especially when it comes to culture, and the values of Quebec are entirely foreign in the ROC.
So no, the average anglo Canadian and the average American have far more in common with Americans than you'd like to admit, and Canada really isn't all that liberal. Quebec is very liberal compared to America. Not so much the ROC. Maybe slightly so but people who talk about Canada as if it is a left wing paradise are selling a country that doesn't exist.
Could you please provide data to back up your assertions? Church attendance, the most blatant indicator that exists for a given populace's religiosity, shows that Canadians as a whole don't go to church anywhere near as much as Americans do. Could you provide data that shows otherwise?
I'll wait.
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