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Old 02-04-2014, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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You prattle on about knowing the situation about Canadian healthcare when it's obvious you don't. Citing some experience 20 years ago as if it is the same now. My experience goes back less than a decade. The Canadian healthcare system hasn't improved since then.

I just knocked you out of the park.

BTW I am a dual citizen and can vote in the USA...beat you again. Hell I can even run for office,,,just ask Ted Cruz.

I can kick your backside on both sides of the border
No you didn't. Your experience and knowledge of Canadian Healthcare reeks of ignorance. First of all EVERY Canadian knows that it is provincially run, so what can happen in one province is not indicative of the whole country.

I have lived in Canada my whole life. I was a child when Universal care came in. The only time there was a wait was for my mother's cataract surgery. Everything else, and there's been a lot, we never waited for.

Being a dual citizenship does not equate to you " winning " Mr. Sheen.
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Old 02-04-2014, 03:39 PM
 
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No you didn't. Your experience and knowledge of Canadian Healthcare reeks of ignorance. First of all EVERY Canadian knows that it is provincially run, so what can happen in one province is not indicative of the whole country.

I have lived in Canada my whole life. I was a child when Universal care came in. The only time there was a wait was for my mother's cataract surgery. Everything else, and there's been a lot, we never waited for.

Being a dual citizenship does not equate to you " winning " Mr. Sheen.
Where did I give you the impression that I thought it was run by the feds? Alberta health Care is not the same as BC Health Care...but they all have the same problems, you can deny it all you want. I have even heard ads for False Creek Clinic (in BC) on the radio in Calgary...taking a run at that private stuff. All health regions still have to comply with the Canadian Health act. (Ottawa)

I lived in Canada for 35 years of my 52 years , Ontario, Manitoba and Alberta, so...pppphhhtt. to you.

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Old 02-04-2014, 04:47 PM
 
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Originally Posted by mikejjones1234 View Post
You prattle on about knowing the situation about Canadian healthcare when it's obvious you don't. Citing some experience 20 years ago as if it is the same now. My experience goes back less than a decade. The Canadian healthcare system hasn't improved since then.

I just knocked you out of the park.

BTW I am a dual citizen and can vote in the USA...beat you again. Hell I can even run for office,,,just ask Ted Cruz.

I can kick your backside on both sides of the border
Stay classy, Jethro.

Bye.
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Old 02-04-2014, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Where did I give you the impression that I thought it was run by the feds? Alberta health Care is not the same as BC Health Care...but they all have the same problems, you can deny it all you want. I have even heard ads for False Creek Clinic (in BC) on the radio in Calgary...taking a run at that private stuff. All health regions still have to comply with the Canadian Health act. (Ottawa)

I lived in Canada for 35 years of my 52 years , Ontario, Manitoba and Alberta, so...pppphhhtt. to you.
"We don't pretend anything , we also don't claim to have the best. Canadians claim their way is the best way yet their lines are long and private health practices are opening up all over Canada. Canadians have come to realize that socialist medicine isn't the only way."[/quote]

My response in red.
I got that assumption from your tone.
Lines are not long. Some people wait in certain parts of the country depending on the surgery. Most waits are short and you do NOT wait if it's life threatening. Several personal experiences with that. This is what I wrote in another thread.
"A little perspective here. If you read the first article from CBC, they are talking about people calling their doctor and getting an appointment THAT day or the next. Canada is 11th out of 11 countries. The U.S is 10th.
If I can't get in quickly to see my doctor ( which I really never had to do ) I can go to any of the privately run walk in clinics, show my healthcare and see a doctor there. If they say 30 minutes, I can walk down to another one and hope for a quicker time. No charge."

For someone who says they know about " Canadian Healthcare " your comment about private clinics show you really don't.

There are two types of private clinics. Those like Walk In Clinic Vancouver which anyone with a healthcare card can go and not pay extra and are covered by the province. These clinic operate under the Canadian Health Act, by that meaning, only offer medical services covered by that act. These clinics have become popular in the last 18 years or so because doctors find it cheaper than having just their own private office. Companies offer them space and staff. They concentrate on patients. These are the type of private clinics that have grown a lot.

The other clinic, False Creek, is a totally different kettle of fish. It's a for profit clinic skirting the Canada Health act by having a few doctors opt out of MSP. That way they can charge an " up front " fee " without apparently breaking the Canada Health Act.
They also charge $5,000 for a family of four, annually, to have access to a doctor. An article I read says they had 400 families…that after being open for 15 years or so. Not exactly people flocking there..why? That's right MONEY. The whole reason we have universal coverage. These clinics are much fewer.

Most of the healthcare debate in Canada is fuelled by what exists in the U.S. and the pressure of right wing corporate interests to change us into a for profit system. It really hasn't worked since 99 or so percent of Canadians don't want that change. The change they want is improvement and expansion of our current system. We go to bed at night knowing that with all the ridiculous accusations made about our system we still have one of the longest life expectancies and infant mortality rates in the world.
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Old 02-04-2014, 05:36 PM
 
Location: Canada
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"We don't pretend anything , we also don't claim to have the best. Canadians claim their way is the best way yet their lines are long and private health practices are opening up all over Canada. Canadians have come to realize that socialist medicine isn't the only way."
My response in red.
I got that assumption from your tone.
Lines are not long. Some people wait in certain parts of the country depending on the surgery. Most waits are short and you do NOT wait if it's life threatening. Several personal experiences with that. This is what I wrote in another thread.
"A little perspective here. If you read the first article from CBC, they are talking about people calling their doctor and getting an appointment THAT day or the next. Canada is 11th out of 11 countries. The U.S is 10th.
If I can't get in quickly to see my doctor ( which I really never had to do ) I can go to any of the privately run walk in clinics, show my healthcare and see a doctor there. If they say 30 minutes, I can walk down to another one and hope for a quicker time. No charge."

For someone who says they know about " Canadian Healthcare " your comment about private clinics show you really don't.

There are two types of private clinics. Those like Walk In Clinic Vancouver which anyone with a healthcare card can go and not pay extra and are covered by the province. These clinic operate under the Canadian Health Act, by that meaning, only offer medical services covered by that act. These clinics have become popular in the last 18 years or so because doctors find it cheaper than having just their own private office. Companies offer them space and staff. They concentrate on patients. These are the type of private clinics that have grown a lot.

The other clinic, False Creek, is a totally different kettle of fish. It's a for profit clinic skirting the Canada Health act by having a few doctors opt out of MSP. That way they can charge an " up front " fee " without apparently breaking the Canada Health Act.
They also charge $5,000 for a family of four, annually, to have access to a doctor. An article I read says they had 400 families…that after being open for 15 years or so. Not exactly people flocking there..why? That's right MONEY. The whole reason we have universal coverage. These clinics are much fewer.

Most of the healthcare debate in Canada is fuelled by what exists in the U.S. and the pressure of right wing corporate interests to change us into a for profit system. It really hasn't worked since 99 or so percent of Canadians don't want that change. The change they want is improvement and expansion of our current system. We go to bed at night knowing that with all the ridiculous accusations made about our system we still have one of the longest life expectancies and infant mortality rates in the world.
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Old 02-04-2014, 06:07 PM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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I have to know, what is it about us Americans that makes us get all this attention?

and don't dodge the question or i'll just make a thread about it
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Old 02-04-2014, 06:10 PM
 
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I meet a lot of Americans & Canadians in Australia and it's not always immediately clear who is from where. Australians certainly can't tell the difference. I rarely mistake Canadians for Americans but I sometimes mistake Americans for Canadians. If I talk to someone for long enough (~5mins) it becomes clear without having to ask. By the time they've said a few words with "ou" or "a" sounds it's usually pretty obvious.

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Have some god-damned confidence. being upset because Americans think you speak differently, for christ's sake, how lame and inferior are we? Yesterday there was so much talk about the fr*king superbowl on the media as if it is a Canadian national event. Most Canadians don't even play American football. Shameful.
There are no important differences between the US and Canadian versions of football. NFL and CFL players cross the border all the time to play in the other league. I watch CFL games every now and then and the only important difference is that there 3 downs and an extra player on the field in the Canadian game compared to 4 downs in the US game. There are lots of other minor differences like a larger field in the Canadian game and no "fair catch" but then many of these are differences that also exist between the NFL and US College or High School football.

It's probably because of this that the NFL is so popular in Canada. It's the only professional league that isn't on both sides of the border and one has to wonder how much longer that will be the case.
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Old 02-04-2014, 06:25 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Natnasci View Post
"We don't pretend anything , we also don't claim to have the best. Canadians claim their way is the best way yet their lines are long and private health practices are opening up all over Canada. Canadians have come to realize that socialist medicine isn't the only way."
My response in red.
I got that assumption from your tone.
Lines are not long. Some people wait in certain parts of the country depending on the surgery. Most waits are short and you do NOT w............
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blah blah blah. I understand how CHC works, If it wasn't for private healthcare clinics being contracted by provincial governments for services the lines would be even longer. MRIs are the perfect example, even with private clinics providing some of the service lines are still long.
Canada has to ditch the NDP mentality , "no one should be allowed to pay for their own services and private clinics should be illegal".

Lines aren't long I could post 10 000 articles that say otherwise from every province and you would still deny it.
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Old 02-04-2014, 06:27 PM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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Believe me I would LOVE to go further into discussing it but I have a feeling if I did my post would probably get me banned. My entire thread about canadian/american healthcare differences got deleted just for sticking up for my own system and giving the u.s criticism for charging people for care.
Probably because we have plenty of Canadians here who love to talk about Canadian/American healthcare differences.

But please go further into discussing, i'm curious
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Old 02-04-2014, 06:28 PM
 
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I have to know, what is it about us Americans that makes us get all this attention?

and don't dodge the question or i'll just make a thread about it
Canadians have to be recognized or they get upset. Ever go to a movie with some Canadians?

They continually nudge each other when they see a Canadian actor on screen and remind each other.."he's Canadian don't you know"
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