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Old 02-17-2014, 04:20 PM
 
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I read that historically the Conservative Party of Canada supported high tariffs. When did that change?
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Old 02-17-2014, 09:52 PM
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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80s when Mulroney and the "Blue Tories" took an historically respectable party and slowly destroyed it to the point where they had no choice but to merge with the righties in the Canadian Alliance.
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Old 02-18-2014, 01:45 AM
 
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80s when Mulroney and the "Blue Tories" took an historically respectable party and slowly destroyed it to the point where they had no choice but to merge with the righties in the Canadian Alliance.
Would you like some cheese to go with that whine?
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Old 02-18-2014, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Canada
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80s when Mulroney and the "Blue Tories" took an historically respectable party and slowly destroyed it to the point where they had no choice but to merge with the righties in the Canadian Alliance.
The Mulroney Progressive Conservatives were for free trade before they collapsed and mergers happened. The fact of the matter is, the 1988 election was primarily about free trade and the Canadian people voted in favour of it. A majority do support trade today, and with good reason, it has negatively impacted us in some areas but has led to significant gains in many others. I personally think our economic health is much better for NAFTA existing. The PC began to be so pro trade because it became a more popular idea amongst voters and democratic forces responded to that.
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Old 02-18-2014, 01:23 PM
 
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High tariffs do nothing except to protect losers who would otherwise be unable to survive on their own.

Those who are in favour of high tariffs and against free trade believing it will increase our quality of life should think about where Alberta's oil, Ontario's manufactured goods and wines and Quebec's electricity and Bombardier trains/planes can go if other countries put up high trade barrier as well.
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Old 02-18-2014, 02:48 PM
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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High tariffs do nothing except to protect losers who would otherwise be unable to survive on their own.

Those who are in favour of high tariffs and against free trade believing it will increase our quality of life should think about where Alberta's oil, Ontario's manufactured goods and wines and Quebec's electricity and Bombardier trains/planes can go if other countries put up high trade barrier as well.
I don't think a working class individual east of Manitoba can say that Free Trade has benefitted them with a straight face.
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Old 02-18-2014, 03:03 PM
 
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I don't think a working class individual east of Manitoba can say that Free Trade has benefitted them with a straight face.
A policy is never designed to benefit everyone. As long as it benefits the country as a whole, it is good policy.

There are always loser as a result of any change, that doesn't mean we shouldn't make changes. If people east of Manitoba didn't benefit from it, then maybe they should change themselves to adapt to the new world. If making cars aren't profitable any more because someone else can make them at better prices, then maybe it is time to stop making cars and make something else?

You can't honestly just expect the government to keep high tariffs as an artificial protection so that some farmers or small business owner can keep selling at elevated prices to maintain their good life at the cost of all the consumers when there is clearly a cheaper option out there.

I am annoyed by this "why can't everyone just pay a bit more so that this small group of people can have a better profit/better life" mindset.
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Old 02-19-2014, 08:05 AM
 
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High tariffs do nothing except to protect losers who would otherwise be unable to survive on their own.

Those who are in favour of high tariffs and against free trade believing it will increase our quality of life should think about where Alberta's oil, Ontario's manufactured goods and wines and Quebec's electricity and Bombardier trains/planes can go if other countries put up high trade barrier as well.

I would think Ontario doesn't produce enough wine to export to the U.S. in anything but tiny quantities.
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Old 02-19-2014, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Hougary, Texberta
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I would think Ontario doesn't produce enough wine to export to the U.S. in anything but tiny quantities.
Good thing it comes in tiny bottles.

Ice wine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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