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I think both countries would be better off if its citizens could move freely from one country to another or apply for jobs in each country without worrying about getting visas. It gives each country's citizens more options. Has this ever been considered?
It's been discussed here before. It's an old post but if I can find the thread I'll post the link for you.
Are you a Canadian living and working in Canada?
Such an arrangement might be suitable to some citizens of both countries but would you care to explain how you think that kind of relationship between Canada and USA would be of benefit to Canada as a whole and to its economy and resources?
Every time that this idea is brought up, the person making the suggestion is an American.
As a Canadian, I am happy with the present system, that requires Canadians and Americans to apply, qualify, and be issued a work visa, to work in the other country.
In the scenario that the OP suggests, the Canadian economy would be flooded by Americans, looking for jobs, and American criminals looking for a way to live off our social services network. With an open border, Canada would be quickly pulled down to their level of crime and ignorance.
A bad idea, in every way, with no benefit to Canada, or Canadians.
Every time that this idea is brought up, the person making the suggestion is an American.
As a Canadian, I am happy with the present system, that requires Canadians and Americans to apply, qualify, and be issued a work visa, to work in the other country.
In the scenario that the OP suggests, the Canadian economy would be flooded by Americans, looking for jobs, and American criminals looking for a way to live off our social services network. With an open border, Canada would be quickly pulled down to their level of crime and ignorance.
A bad idea, in every way, with no benefit to Canada, or Canadians.
Jim b
Toronto.
You're making the assumption that the movement of people would be primarily south to north. I for one would pack my bags and be gone in a heartbeat if it were easier to move stateside and I know a few other people who say the same thing. I think the border is there to keep us penned into this place so that the monopolistic banks/corps/ regulated organisations/ government cabals can carry on systematically raping us without an easy escape.....that's the real reason it remains.
Canada' s a cozy sinecure for a lot of well connected people in the regulated oligarchies that are so prominent in our so-called 'business community' a.k.a. the government sanctioned mafias that are too incompetent to offer us anything other than overpriced yet often substandard services/goods to the sheep. And we're expected to 'baaaa' on cue about how much we enjoy and even deserve to be so mistreated by our supposed betters in the bureaucracy/government/big businesses. One of the lessons one learns in canada really quickly is to keep your complaints or critiques about pretty much anything to oneself, at the risk of ostracism. Weird socialistic mentality here.....
Oh, and I really like that americans have choices as to what kind of weather they want to live with. I think it would be so amazing if I could choose between the warm sweltering bayou of Louisiana, the dry and hot southwest, or even the freezing cold of Alaska. At least, in the USA, one is presented with some real options weatherwise.
You're making the assumption that the movement of people would be primarily south to north. I for one would pack my bags and be gone in a heartbeat if it were easier to move stateside and I know a few other people who say the same thing. I think the border is there to keep us penned into this place so that the monopolistic banks/corps/ regulated organisations/ government cabals can carry on systematically raping us without an easy escape.....that's the real reason it remains.
Canada' s a cozy sinecure for a lot of well connected people in the regulated oligarchies that are so prominent in our so-called 'business community' a.k.a. the government sanctioned mafias that are too incompetent to offer us anything other than overpriced yet often substandard services/goods to the sheep. And we're expected to 'baaaa' on cue about how much we enjoy and even deserve to be so mistreated by our supposed betters in the bureaucracy/government/big businesses. One of the lessons one learns in canada really quickly is to keep your complaints or critiques about pretty much anything to oneself, at the risk of ostracism. Weird socialistic mentality here.....
Oh, and I really like that americans have choices as to what kind of weather they want to live with. I think it would be so amazing if I could choose between the warm sweltering bayou of Louisiana, the dry and hot southwest, or even the freezing cold of Alaska. At least, in the USA, one is presented with some real options weatherwise.
Haar! Gotta ask but where else have you lived (or are living presently 'cause I doubt it's Canada) before arriving here in this "weird socialistic mentality" backwater where you're risking being "ostracised" for speaking out.
Have you had your business or personal income tax audited by the CRA for belonging to the opposition party and speaking out against the Government? Had your philosophical beliefs challenged due to NOT believing in some religion or another? Nope? How can that be, in a socialized environment?
Have you the chance of being locked up indefinitely without charges being laid because your neighbour reported you having one too many propane tanks in your back yard and therefore might be a terrorist?
Have you been thrown In jail for making a spurious reference on a gamer's website?
Have you been tossed out of school for chewing your cookie into the shape of a handgun?
Have you been denied the ability to buy a super sized cup of Pepsi in Canada?
Ever been thrown in jail for collecting rain water on your own farm land?
Ever been confronted with a soldier from the National Guard with a fixed bayonet during one of your student protests? worse yet; ever been shot and killed while engaged in a protest?
Have you ever been stopped on the 401 highway without probable cause and had to answer questions by a civilian regulatory agency subcontracted to provide security primarily at airports?
Watched the news lately and compared, with a reasonably unprejudiced viewpoint, the very infrequent intrusions into your personal freedoms with any of those recently reported on an almost daily basis below the 49th?
Did you just take notice of our Prime Minister's recent attempt to perform a parallel to an Executive Order in enacting his form of Senate Reform? He got soundly spanked in not only being told it was not going to be allowed but he was also told exactly what formulae would need to be used to perform such an act by being forced to engaging the provinces in the process. Now, how many executive orders, that completely sidestep the democratic process, have been signed down below?
So, unless it's a completely illogical desire for you to join a society that fully 50% of their people are relying upon some form of "socialistic" government assistance to feed themselves through EBT cards and other programs for the mundane reason of a warmer winter, I think it would behoove you to watch what you wish for there "looky" cause you just might find yourself living in an even weirder "socialistic mentality" calling itself a democracy that is the epitome of an "oligarchy" by the very definition of the word.
. I for one would pack my bags and be gone in a heartbeat if it were easier to move stateside and I know a few other people who say the same thing. I think the border is there to keep us penned into this place so that the monopolistic banks/corps/ regulated organisations/ government cabals can carry on systematically raping us without an easy escape.....that's the real reason it remains.
The idea of the EU made more sense since you had several countries of similar size and populations, with culture and language enabling them to easier keep their identities. There were concerns of course from strong economies like Germany which seem to have come true.
The US would wash over Canada like a tsunami and Canada would cease to exist. Those in Canada, who love Canada do not want that to happen.
The old adage, good fences make good neighbours, applies here.
Every time that this idea is brought up, the person making the suggestion is an American.
As a Canadian, I am happy with the present system, that requires Canadians and Americans to apply, qualify, and be issued a work visa, to work in the other country.
In the scenario that the OP suggests, the Canadian economy would be flooded by Americans, looking for jobs, and American criminals looking for a way to live off our social services network. With an open border, Canada would be quickly pulled down to their level of crime and ignorance.
A bad idea, in every way, with no benefit to Canada, or Canadians.
Jim b
Toronto.
Americans flooding Canada looking for jobs, what jobs?
No wonder under the TN arrangement, far more Americans are working in Canada versus the other way around.
And why would the American criminals want to come to Canada? because people have more disposal income here? or because the weather is better?
it might not be a good idea for Canada if the border is opened up, because Canada will lose more workers and professionals to the US where jobs are more abundant and income is higher.
despite the seemingly lower unemployment rate, it is a lot more difficult to find a job in Canada believe it or not. Our private sector is not nearly as deep and flexible as the American one.
Haar! Gotta ask but where else have you lived (or are living presently 'cause I doubt it's Canada) before arriving here in this "weird socialistic mentality" backwater where you're risking being "ostracised" for speaking out.
Have you had your business or personal income tax audited by the CRA for belonging to the opposition party and speaking out against the Government? Had your philosophical beliefs challenged due to NOT believing in some religion or another? Nope? How can that be, in a socialized environment?
Have you the chance of being locked up indefinitely without charges being laid because your neighbour reported you having one too many propane tanks in your back yard and therefore might be a terrorist?
Have you been thrown In jail for making a spurious reference on a gamer's website?
Have you been tossed out of school for chewing your cookie into the shape of a handgun?
Have you been denied the ability to buy a super sized cup of Pepsi in Canada?
Ever been thrown in jail for collecting rain water on your own farm land?
Ever been confronted with a soldier from the National Guard with a fixed bayonet during one of your student protests? worse yet; ever been shot and killed while engaged in a protest?
Have you ever been stopped on the 401 highway without probable cause and had to answer questions by a civilian regulatory agency subcontracted to provide security primarily at airports?
Watched the news lately and compared, with a reasonably unprejudiced viewpoint, the very infrequent intrusions into your personal freedoms with any of those recently reported on an almost daily basis below the 49th?
Did you just take notice of our Prime Minister's recent attempt to perform a parallel to an Executive Order in enacting his form of Senate Reform? He got soundly spanked in not only being told it was not going to be allowed but he was also told exactly what formulae would need to be used to perform such an act by being forced to engaging the provinces in the process. Now, how many executive orders, that completely sidestep the democratic process, have been signed down below?
So, unless it's a completely illogical desire for you to join a society that fully 50% of their people are relying upon some form of "socialistic" government assistance to feed themselves through EBT cards and other programs for the mundane reason of a warmer winter, I think it would behoove you to watch what you wish for there "looky" cause you just might find yourself living in an even weirder "socialistic mentality" calling itself a democracy that is the epitome of an "oligarchy" by the very definition of the word.
yeah, the US is a backwater terror country where one worries about his life, either from criminals or from the government every day. We get it.
No wonder US has consistently been the least attractive country to immigrate to, and people from elsewhere always prefer Canada to the US.
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