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bostonkid:
This is not a dissertation or research. We are having a discussion on an internet forum, there is no need for exact citations. However, I concede that we should attempt to be logical and factual.
The examples you give are pretty weak. The events I have described came out of nowhere and were really only reacted to, not anticipated.
However, if you desire a point by point delineation of all of America's current troubles, here it is:
1) Widespread discontent with the direction of the country, congress, both political parties, and the system in general, combined with intractable polarization in almost all political issues
2) Declining real wages, declining standard of living, increasing real costs across all major areas (energy, food, housing, education, healthcare)
3) The worst class inequality in record, with the upper 1% (and really 0.1 to 0.01%) running away with all of the real income gains, largely due to speculation, favorable tax treatment, and free money courtesy of the central bank
4) A political establishment that seems committed to an endless series of military interventions abroad, of dubious value and unclear goals, which invites blowback, which then invites a response, ad infinitum
5) Outright digital money creation, bond monetization, bailout of banks without criminal prosecution, and artificial support of corporations and the market by the central bank, preventing price discovery across the economy
6) International "de-dollarization" with trade agreements between China, Russia, Europe, and developing countries taking place using foreign currencies
7) An unstable and porous border with Mexico, inability to control legal or illegal immigration, inability to control drug trade despite a decades long "war on drugs"
8) Racial discord and animosity between the black underclass and an increasingly militarized police force, increasing prison costs, and, once again, an establishment that seems committed to even more discord by inviting all manner of peoples into the country to form a new utopian "multicultural" society replacing the discouraged white working and middle classes
9) Reversal of a centuries long tradition of respect for civil rights, privacy, and freedom in favor of a security state which treats all citizens as presumed guilty of all manner of transgressions and potential "terrorists" whose activities need to be monitored 24/7
10) Degeneration of standards, with sexualization of the culture, single motherhood, etc., long established and celebrated
I could go on and on. The rot is just too deep at this point for any reversal.
Considering America is the richest economy among OECD countries and has the largest share of GDP spent on healthcare while remaining the only one unable/unwilling to provide universal single payer coverage, it's hardly something to boast about.
America being the richest country is also hardly something to boast about as it hardly makes it in the top 10. And that primarily because there is a very small group of very wealthy people. A large part of the population is dirt poor.
bostonkid:
This is not a dissertation or research. We are having a discussion on an internet forum, there is no need for exact citations. However, I concede that we should attempt to be logical and factual.
The examples you give are pretty weak. The events I have described came out of nowhere and were really only reacted to, not anticipated.
However, if you desire a point by point delineation of all of America's current troubles, here it is:
1) Widespread discontent with the direction of the country, congress, both political parties, and the system in general, combined with intractable polarization in almost all political issues
2) Declining real wages, declining standard of living, increasing real costs across all major areas (energy, food, housing, education, healthcare)
3) The worst class inequality in record, with the upper 1% (and really 0.1 to 0.01%) running away with all of the real income gains, largely due to speculation, favorable tax treatment, and free money courtesy of the central bank
4) A political establishment that seems committed to an endless series of military interventions abroad, of dubious value and unclear goals, which invites blowback, which then invites a response, ad infinitum
5) Outright digital money creation, bond monetization, bailout of banks without criminal prosecution, and artificial support of corporations and the market by the central bank, preventing price discovery across the economy
6) International "de-dollarization" with trade agreements between China, Russia, Europe, and developing countries taking place using foreign currencies
7) An unstable and porous border with Mexico, inability to control legal or illegal immigration, inability to control drug trade despite a decades long "war on drugs"
8) Racial discord and animosity between the black underclass and an increasingly militarized police force, increasing prison costs, and, once again, an establishment that seems committed to even more discord by inviting all manner of peoples into the country to form a new utopian "multicultural" society replacing the discouraged white working and middle classes
9) Reversal of a centuries long tradition of respect for civil rights, privacy, and freedom in favor of a security state which treats all citizens as presumed guilty of all manner of transgressions and potential "terrorists" whose activities need to be monitored 24/7
10) Degeneration of standards, with sexualization of the culture, single motherhood, etc., long established and celebrated
I could go on and on. The rot is just too deep at this point for any reversal.
We all look forward to the day you move into your isolation cave. That way you don't have to deal with all this "rot" and let the rest of us handle the dirty work.
My sister has that, and pays nothing for doctor visits and $1 for prescriptions. The Canadian 'I have free healthcare' boosters are clueless to the realities iof US healthcare, especially since the president's reforms.
Incorrect. You must realize that Canadians travel a lot. Most of us have friends in the US if not family.
I have seen the wonders of the US system when it fails. I have seen a friend fighting with the insurance company as his father lay dying.
No one is denying that that everyone in the US has these issues, what we are saying is that a lot of the horrendous things that some Americans go through in regards to the coverage and paying of healthcare doesn't happen in other developed countries.
The latest issue is now under your new healthcare reform, certain insurance companies refused to give a list of the specialists etc that they would cover, leaving the insured person in a bind when they find out that the type of specialist needed is not provided by the insurance company. They do this to recover costs they feel they have lost under the new rules.
As Brusan stated the only time I hear the word " free " used in relation to our healthcare is from Americans.
Canadians are well aware of how the system is funded. It comes up in every election.
bostonkid:
This is not a dissertation or research. We are having a discussion on an internet forum, there is no need for exact citations. However, I concede that we should attempt to be logical and factual.
The examples you give are pretty weak. The events I have described came out of nowhere and were really only reacted to, not anticipated.
However, if you desire a point by point delineation of all of America's current troubles, here it is:
1) Widespread discontent with the direction of the country, congress, both political parties, and the system in general, combined with intractable polarization in almost all political issues
2) Declining real wages, declining standard of living, increasing real costs across all major areas (energy, food, housing, education, healthcare)
3) The worst class inequality in record, with the upper 1% (and really 0.1 to 0.01%) running away with all of the real income gains, largely due to speculation, favorable tax treatment, and free money courtesy of the central bank
4) A political establishment that seems committed to an endless series of military interventions abroad, of dubious value and unclear goals, which invites blowback, which then invites a response, ad infinitum
5) Outright digital money creation, bond monetization, bailout of banks without criminal prosecution, and artificial support of corporations and the market by the central bank, preventing price discovery across the economy
6) International "de-dollarization" with trade agreements between China, Russia, Europe, and developing countries taking place using foreign currencies
7) An unstable and porous border with Mexico, inability to control legal or illegal immigration, inability to control drug trade despite a decades long "war on drugs"
8) Racial discord and animosity between the black underclass and an increasingly militarized police force, increasing prison costs, and, once again, an establishment that seems committed to even more discord by inviting all manner of peoples into the country to form a new utopian "multicultural" society replacing the discouraged white working and middle classes
9) Reversal of a centuries long tradition of respect for civil rights, privacy, and freedom in favor of a security state which treats all citizens as presumed guilty of all manner of transgressions and potential "terrorists" whose activities need to be monitored 24/7
10) Degeneration of standards, with sexualization of the culture, single motherhood, etc., long established and celebrated
I could go on and on. The rot is just too deep at this point for any reversal.
Let's say you're right. But, having read some of your other posts in other forums, how do you intend to survive the brave new world without any proven skills other than mooching? I mean no insult. But if all you fear comes to pass, it seems to me that you would be devoting your time to picking up skills that could be of use to you, whether in the US or in Canada. Jobs could include stuff like construction or electrical type work. Things that would be useful in a world that has broken down. It just seems to me that you are putting the cart before the horse here in contemplating where you would move to under your projected scenario.
Incorrect. You must realize that Canadians travel a lot. Most of us have friends in the US if not family.
I have seen the wonders of the US system when it fails. I have seen a friend fighting with the insurance company as his father lay dying.
No one is denying that that everyone in the US has these issues, what we are saying is that a lot of the horrendous things that some Americans go through in regards to the coverage and paying of healthcare doesn't happen in other developed countries.
The latest issue is now under your new healthcare reform, certain insurance companies refused to give a list of the specialists etc that they would cover, leaving the insured person in a bind when they find out that the type of specialist needed is not provided by the insurance company. They do this to recover costs they feel they have lost under the new rules.
As Brusan stated the only time I hear the word " free " used in relation to our healthcare is from Americans.
Canadians are well aware of how the system is funded. It comes up in every election.
If the first part of your post did not happen post HC reform, then it is pointless to speak about.
If Insurance companies are refusing to release the names of specialists within their negotiated network, then they are breaking the law. If they pulled that with me I would place one more call and tell them to fax me the f*cking list within 24 hours or my next call will be to the DOI, DOH or DOC.
In the interim they can also ask their Dr who referred them to the specialist to give them a list of recommended specialists, and simply call their office and ask if they accept the particular insurance they carry. That call would take 5mins tops.
If the first part of your post did not happen post HC reform, then it is pointless to speak about.
If Insurance companies are refusing to release the names of specialists within their negotiated network, then they are breaking the law. If they pulled that with me I would place one more call and tell them to fax me the f*cking list within 24 hours or my next call will be to the DOI, DOH or DOC.
In the interim they can also ask their Dr who referred them to the specialist to give them a list of recommended specialists, and simply call their office and ask if they accept the particular insurance they carry. That call would take 5mins tops.
Ed - with all the changes going on with HC in the U.S - ultimately will everyone be covered or will there still be individuals without HC in the United States.. What type of saturation are we looking at in terms of coverage of the total population in terms of a percentage?
If the first part of your post did not happen post HC reform, then it is pointless to speak about.
If Insurance companies are refusing to release the names of specialists within their negotiated network, then they are breaking the law. If they pulled that with me I would place one more call and tell them to fax me the f*cking list within 24 hours or my next call will be to the DOI, DOH or DOC.
In the interim they can also ask their Dr who referred them to the specialist to give them a list of recommended specialists, and simply call their office and ask if they accept the particular insurance they carry. That call would take 5mins tops.
"Compounding the problem, the plaintiffs say, the company gave misleading or incorrect information, both last fall and this year, about the medical providers participating in these new plans.
As a result, some consumers incurred unforeseen medical bills when they were treated by out-of-network doctors, according to the suit. EPO health plans usually have little or no coverage outside the network."
When are they going to learn ceding control of their well being to an employer, an insurance company or some other entity whose major aim and motivation is to deny you coverage and/or payment for treatment isn't in their best interests.
much of what is going to happen never does. if you are a native of canada being in your own country is wonderful. being a foreigner is not. i have been in both circumstances.
i will not leave my country again.
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