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View Poll Results: Is Quebec Independence a Legitimate Movement?
Yes 147 65.04%
No 79 34.96%
Voters: 226. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-05-2015, 03:00 PM
 
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German word of the day: schadenfreude!

Actually, the article doesn't entirely support your statement. It's more nuanced than that.
The comments section under the posted article address the reasons why Quebec is being shunned by small business and by default a lower than expected job growth..
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Old 08-07-2015, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Montreal
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The comments section under the posted article address the reasons why Quebec is being shunned by small business and by default a lower than expected job growth..
When it comes between economic growth and the integrity of our nation we will always choose the latter.
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Old 08-07-2015, 02:36 PM
 
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When it comes between economic growth and the integrity of our nation we will always choose the latter.

Your usual rant about how Quebec will stay with Canada till it sucks Canada dry as your example of cultural integrity makes one wonder if having the "integrity of our nation" isnt just hollow meaningless rhetoric.
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Old 08-09-2015, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Montreal
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Your usual rant about how Quebec will stay with Canada till it sucks Canada dry as your example of cultural integrity makes one wonder if having the "integrity of our nation" isnt just hollow meaningless rhetoric.
I like how you twist my words. Yes, I support what is best for Quebec over what is best for the politicians in Ontario.
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Old 08-10-2015, 11:15 AM
 
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I like how you twist my words. Yes, I support what is best for Quebec over what is best for the politicians in Ontario.
We'll agree to disagree on cultural integrity but its you who frequently implies that you'll take that Canadian money even though you dislike Canada/Anglos and evidently anything to do with multiculturalism for Quebec.Taking everything Canada has to offer until Canada goes bankrupt feeding Quebec,only then you'll decide its time to separate?Thats your idea of Cultural integrity?
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Old 08-10-2015, 06:00 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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We'll agree to disagree on cultural integrity but its you who frequently implies that you'll take that Canadian money even though you dislike Canada/Anglos and evidently anything to do with multiculturalism for Quebec.Taking everything Canada has to offer until Canada goes bankrupt feeding Quebec,only then you'll decide its time to separate?Thats your idea of Cultural integrity?
In your experience Jambo - is this how the majority of moderate Francophone Quebecers feel or is Pbeau just intentionally doing this to get reactions?
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Old 08-10-2015, 06:27 PM
 
Location: Montreal > Quebec > Canada
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In your experience Jambo - is this how the majority of moderate Francophone Quebecers feel or is Pbeau just intentionally doing this to get reactions?
It's definitely a Pbeau thing. I don't know anyone who thinks that way, really.
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Old 08-10-2015, 06:31 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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It's definitely a Pbeau thing. I don't know anyone who thinks that way, really.
Hey thanks it was certainly an open question..
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Old 08-10-2015, 08:26 PM
 
Location: Canada
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In your experience Jambo - is this how the majority of moderate Francophone Quebecers feel or is Pbeau just intentionally doing this to get reactions?
I grew up and lived most of my life as a bilingual Quebecer - yes every other francophone is like PBeauchamp but they usually aren't so direct when expressing these views in English. If you want a good look at the views of francophone Quebecers I'd look at PBeau, Acajack and Vivelequebeclibre as pretty representative of what you'll find, with Acajack being almost as crazily pro-Canada as you get, and PBeau being pro-Canada but more direct about his disdain. Vive is a good representatives of separatists, who actually aren't as anti-Canada as they are shown in the English media, and usually not anymore anti-Canada than federalists.

Trust me, if it wasn't for economic reasons Quebec would vote overwhelmingly for independence tommorrow. When he says in a nutshell that it's best for Quebec to get what it can from Canada while they can, he is actually being pretty honest. Francophone Quebecois who genuinely support Canada unconditionally are no more than 1/5 Quebecers. If Quebec's economy was booming instead of in constant decline I guarantee that 2/3 Quebecers (including anglos and allos) would vote to leave Canada on a dime. Money talks.

I'm interested to see what jambo has seen, but I am pretty sure it's probably the same scenario. Jambo?
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Old 08-10-2015, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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I grew up and lived most of my life as a bilingual Quebecer - yes every other francophone is like PBeauchamp but they usually aren't so direct when expressing these views in English. If you want a good look at the views of francophone Quebecers I'd look at PBeau, Acajack and Vivelequebeclibre as pretty representative of what you'll find, with Acajack being almost as crazily pro-Canada as you get, and PBeau being pro-Canada but more direct about his disdain. Vive is a good representatives of separatists, who actually aren't as anti-Canada as they are shown in the English media, and usually not anymore anti-Canada than federalists.

Trust me, if it wasn't for economic reasons Quebec would vote overwhelmingly for independence tommorrow. When he says in a nutshell that it's best for Quebec to get what it can from Canada while they can, he is actually being pretty honest. Francophone Quebecois who genuinely support Canada unconditionally are no more than 1/5 Quebecers. If Quebec's economy was booming instead of in constant decline I guarantee that 2/3 Quebecers (including anglos and allos) would vote to leave Canada on a dime. Money talks.

I'm interested to see what jambo has seen, but I am pretty sure it's probably the same scenario. Jambo?
Thanks for your comments - my question wasn't just to Jambo so I do appreciate comments from anyone from Quebec - preferably living there but even those who have a lot of experience there but don't live there anymore. So essentially what you're saying is as long as Quebec's economy doesn't perform than most Quebecers or a solid enough number of them would support remaining in Canada as a security blanket.. They aren't as vocal as Pbeau but essentially cut from the same cloth and just aren't open about that with English Canadians though that is how they feel nonetheless.

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