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You see, in a nutshell, this is why Christians are being persecuted in Canada. How can one have the "freedom" to practice a religion, when certain fundamental beliefs in that religion are essentially criminalized? To me this is kind of Orwellian. Still, none of our laws are exactly "secular" since they stem from a 1000+ year legal tradition that was very much founded on legal interpretation by people who were at least nominally Christians.
Unfortunately many of the posts above constitute nothing more than off-topic trolling, some of which is quite childish. Not that it comes as a surprise. But there are one or two that I will reply to later.
Keep in mind this thread is about the persecution of Christians in Canada. It certainly wasn't started as a religious debate.
You'd have us allow perfect freedom of religion even where it contradicts other rights and laws? So if a Muslim believes that it is his duty under Sharia law to kill his daughter for having a boyfriend, we should allow such a thing because he feels it is an essential part of practicing his religion? Where does removing the supremacy of state law in deference to religious beliefs end?
You see, in a nutshell, this is why Christians are being persecuted in Canada. How can one have the "freedom" to practice a religion, when certain fundamental beliefs in that religion are essentially criminalized? To me this is kind of Orwellian. Still, none of our laws are exactly "secular" since they stem from a 1000+ year legal tradition that was very much founded on legal interpretation by people who were at least nominally Christians.
Unfortunately many of the posts above constitute nothing more than off-topic trolling, some of which is quite childish. Not that it comes as a surprise. But there are one or two that I will reply to later.
Keep in mind this thread is about the persecution of Christians in Canada. It certainly wasn't started as a religious debate.
Which beliefs are being criminalized? You're free to believe anything you want.
You see, in a nutshell, this is why Christians are being persecuted in Canada. How can one have the "freedom" to practice a religion, when certain fundamental beliefs in that religion are essentially criminalized? To me this is kind of Orwellian. Still, none of our laws are exactly "secular" since they stem from a 1000+ year legal tradition that was very much founded on legal interpretation by people who were at least nominally Christians.
Unfortunately many of the posts above constitute nothing more than off-topic trolling, some of which is quite childish. Not that it comes as a surprise. But there are one or two that I will reply to later.
Keep in mind this thread is about the persecution of Christians in Canada. It certainly wasn't started as a religious debate.
Well, yeah. That's how it works. You can be religious, but only within the confines of the law. You can't just do whatever you want and hide behind the guise of your actions being religious. Don't you see how that might otherwise cause problems?
There's never been a time when anyone of any religion in Canada has "[done] whatever [they] want and hide behind the guise of your actions being religious. In fact, when it comes to Christianity, many things that secular society considers acceptable, traditionally have been considered sins or frowned upon by most denominations to one degree or another. It's funny, though, that you would appeal to people behaving "within the confines of the law" - people who engage in various deviant behaviors have been trying to systematically change the laws to make their actions "legal". So you expect religions to abide strictly by the supposedly "secular" laws, yet have no problem with deviants flagrantly breaking them. Explain that double standard...
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Well, yeah. That's how it works. You can be religious, but only within the confines of the law. You can't just do whatever you want and hide behind the guise of your actions being religious. Don't you see how that might otherwise cause problems?
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There's never been a time when anyone of any religion in Canada has "[done] whatever [they] want and hide behind the guise of your actions being religious. In fact, when it comes to Christianity, many things that secular society considers acceptable, traditionally have been considered sins or frowned upon by most denominations to one degree or another. It's funny, though, that you would appeal to people behaving "within the confines of the law" - people who engage in various deviant behaviors have been trying to systematically change the laws to make their actions "legal". So you expect religions to abide strictly by the supposedly "secular" laws, yet have no problem with deviants flagrantly breaking them. Explain that double standard...
Yeah, speaking of double standards.... Luke 6:37 - "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven."
What you are essentially presenting here is a delusion of persecution against Christians because you harbor a strange obsession on the issue of homosexuality that translates to having an axe to grind, which is essentially a persecution complex of your own. That's quite the conundrum you got there.
"Belief in a cruel God makes for a cruel man" - Thomas Paine
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There's never been a time when anyone of any religion in Canada has "[done] whatever [they] want and hide behind the guise of your actions being religious. In fact, when it comes to Christianity, many things that secular society considers acceptable, traditionally have been considered sins or frowned upon by most denominations to one degree or another. It's funny, though, that you would appeal to people behaving "within the confines of the law" - people who engage in various deviant behaviors have been trying to systematically change the laws to make their actions "legal". So you expect religions to abide strictly by the supposedly "secular" laws, yet have no problem with deviants flagrantly breaking them. Explain that double standard...
Deviants and sin? Lol!
Like what? Homosexuality? Damn right it should be legal. Has been for a long time.
If you don't agree with it, don't engage in it. You have no right to pass judgement or try to criminalize it.
Deviants and sin? Lol!
Like what? Homosexuality? Damn right it should be legal. Has been for a long time.
If you don't agree with it, don't engage in it. You have no right to pass judgement or try to criminalize it.
I think he has every right to pass judgement even if I disagree with that opinion. That is the reason why there is indeed freedom of thought and freedom of religion in Canada, and people with unpopular opinions are indeed not persecuted in this country by the government. There are no thought crimes. Criminalizing the lifestyle that is the object of his disapproval? That's the salient point. No, you are right, that he does not get to do.
There's never been a time when anyone of any religion in Canada has "[done] whatever [they] want and hide behind the guise of your actions being religious. In fact, when it comes to Christianity, many things that secular society considers acceptable, traditionally have been considered sins or frowned upon by most denominations to one degree or another. It's funny, though, that you would appeal to people behaving "within the confines of the law" - people who engage in various deviant behaviors have been trying to systematically change the laws to make their actions "legal". So you expect religions to abide strictly by the supposedly "secular" laws, yet have no problem with deviants flagrantly breaking them. Explain that double standard...
No? Never? Never ever??
No....honour killings? Nothing like that?
....huh
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