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Old 02-20-2015, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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In essence, you're depriving French speaking Canada of the essential levers to build a modern, diverse francophone society on the North American continent.

My kids go to schools that are like the UN. But in French.

Take away the language laws where I live and my kids' schools would be filled with old stock French Canadians for the most part, and the UN-type school would be the brand-new one (funding by my tax dollars) teaching in English just down the street.
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Old 02-20-2015, 03:04 PM
 
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In essence, you're depriving French speaking Canada of the essential levers to build a modern, diverse francophone society on the North American continent.

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Best way to build that modern, diverse francophone society on the North American continent is to separate from the Canadian motherland and do it, or are you expecting Canada to do it for you?
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Old 02-20-2015, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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Best way to build that modern, diverse francophone society on the North American continent is to separate from the Canadian motherland and do it, or are you expecting Canada to do it for you?
As part of Canada, Quebec plays by default the role of that backwards, inward-looking, "other", tolerated part of Canada. Every year that it fails to seperate, it only gets worse. This how the world views Quebec:

http://world.time.com/2013/04/08/que...dian-province/
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Old 02-20-2015, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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As part of Canada, Quebec plays by default the role of that backwards, inward-looking, "other", tolerated part of Canada. Every year that it fails to seperate, it only gets worse. This how the world views Quebec:

Quebec’s War on English: Language Politics Intensify in Canadian Province | TIME.com
Time magazine represents the world? Nice to know.
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Old 02-20-2015, 06:22 PM
 
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Time magazine represents the world? Nice to know.
These days, online outfits like the Slate and The Daily Beast accept articles from many external writers whose only qualification is possession of a laptop with MS Word installed. The author of this article is one such external contributor who routinely writes articles (with an agenda) for multiple online sites like the Time (online), Slate, Daily Beast, etc ...

Here is a list of articles written by the same author (guess the common theme?!?):

Hillary Brenhouse / Montreal | TIME.com
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Old 02-20-2015, 06:40 PM
 
Location: Saint-Aimé-des-Lacs, Québec
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These days, online outfits like the Slate and The Daily Beast accept articles from many external writers whose only qualification is possession of a laptop with MS Word installed. The author of this article is one such external contributor who routinely writes articles (with an agenda) for multiple online sites like the Time (online), Slate, Daily Beast, etc ...

Here is a list of articles written by the same author (guess the common theme?!?):

Hillary Brenhouse / Montreal | TIME.com
Hobbes is right though. English is the worldwide language so what English Canadian writes about Québec, it is usually negative though this becomes the world insight on Quebec no matter if you are Russian or Indian. Even in French, French people from France are known fo a contemptuous attitude to Québec. I live my life as a Québecois fluent in English and I feel unwelcome in the ROC and many outsiders I meet in Europe see us as a bit behind the ROC. Hobbes has the most accurate posts about Québec than any non-Quebecer I have saw here, johnathanc is also making intelligent conversation. I have the feeling that for the ROC Québec is your possession because they never care about us until the pride in Canadian unity is questioned. Like it is if anglos get their feelings hurt to truly discuss the situation with Québec.
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Old 02-20-2015, 07:06 PM
 
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Hobbes is right though. English is the worldwide language so what English Canadian writes about Québec, it is usually negative though this becomes the world insight on Quebec no matter if you are Russian or Indian. Even in French, French people from France are known fo a contemptuous attitude to Québec. I live my life as a Québecois fluent in English and I feel unwelcome in the ROC and many outsiders I meet in Europe see us as a bit behind the ROC. Hobbes has the most accurate posts about Québec than any non-Quebecer I have saw here, johnathanc is also making intelligent conversation. I have the feeling that for the ROC Québec is your possession because they never care about us until the pride in Canadian unity is questioned. Like it is if anglos get their feelings hurt to truly discuss the situation with Québec.

Anglos never want to discuss issues directly in my experience, unless really pushed to an extreme. I want to push myself to understand Quebec more but I know I have limitations bc I don't speak French and never lived in Quebec. But the more I learn about it, unfortunately, the more incompatible it feels. Maybe attitudes will change but I don't feel it on the ground today. The only chance is meeting somewhere amicably in the middle, which is not impossible if both sides dig. But we'd still be a less than a perfect family but perhaps better than the status quo. In any case, I'd prefer we all deal with this issue head on instead of letting it hang over us.

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Old 02-21-2015, 08:02 AM
 
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Anglos never want to discuss issues directly in my experience, unless really pushed to an extreme. I want to push myself to understand Quebec more but I know I have limitations bc I don't speak French and never lived in Quebec. But the more I learn about it, unfortunately, the more incompatible it feels. Maybe attitudes will change but I don't feel it on the ground today. The only chance is meeting somewhere amicably in the middle, which is not impossible if both sides dig. But we'd still be a less than a perfect family but perhaps better than the status quo. In any case, I'd prefer we all deal with this issue head on instead of letting it hang over us.
Good luck with that. Both parties are too entrenched in the historical narrative to ever let that happen productively.
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Old 02-22-2015, 08:57 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Hobbes is right though. English is the worldwide language so what English Canadian writes about Québec, it is usually negative though this becomes the world insight on Quebec no matter if you are Russian or Indian. Even in French, French people from France are known fo a contemptuous attitude to Québec. I live my life as a Québecois fluent in English and I feel unwelcome in the ROC and many outsiders I meet in Europe see us as a bit behind the ROC. Hobbes has the most accurate posts about Québec than any non-Quebecer I have saw here, johnathanc is also making intelligent conversation. I have the feeling that for the ROC Québec is your possession because they never care about us until the pride in Canadian unity is questioned. Like it is if anglos get their feelings hurt to truly discuss the situation with Québec.
I am not sure that the international image of Quebec is that overwhelmingly negative.

It goes both ways. Some people also tend to view Quebecers as brave defenders of their culture that are the real Canadians, and Anglo-Canadians as oppressors and no more than frozen Yanks.

That is certainly out there as well. It really depends who you talk to.
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Old 02-23-2015, 04:26 AM
 
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Yeah, for the most part people outside Canada aren't hostile to me as a Quebecer. In fact, when I tell them I'm from Canada, they usually ask whether I'm from the "French part" or "English part", to which I explain that I'm from Quebec which is largely French-speaking, etc. My experience is mostly with people whose native language is neither French nor English.
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