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Old 02-09-2015, 06:59 PM
 
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10 percent in little more than a decade is quite a bit yes - I would say its a significant amount.. I believe in the 80's almost 90 percent of exports were to the U.S so in less that 30 years that's almost 20 percent..
But the trade is up again. So clearly the drop was an abberation mainly due to the world economy crash. At least it wasn't more than 10%!

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Sure exports to the U.S will go up with a weaker Cad dollar and a stronger U.S economy but its all relative, a weaker CAD dollar will also see exports go up with other nations as well. One thing Canada has been doing a good job over the last few decades is to expand trade with other nations.. So in 10 or 20 years if exports are say 60 percent going to the U.S - yes over time this is significant decrease in relative terms but it is still a very healthy and strong trade relationship...
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I'm not rooting for trade to go down with anyone.. Having said that we need a partner who wants to have a strong trade relationship that demonstrates that they value it.. Have you read about the new bridge debacle between Windsor and Detroit? Putting things into perspective, yes both countries largely value the trade relationship but lets just leave it at valuing it and cease the nonsensical personification of the relationship like so many do..
Hmm.. the bridge DEBACLE? What happened?

Last I heard and saw ...
(1) Amount of Construction in Windsor is just mind blowing
(2) Bridge to Detroit is being built on schedule
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Old 02-09-2015, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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But the trade is up again. So clearly the drop was an abberation mainly due to the world economy crash. At least it wasn't more than 10%!


Sure!


Hmm.. the bridge DEBACLE? What happened?

Last I heard and saw ...
(1) Amount of Construction in Windsor is just mind blowing
(2) Bridge to Detroit is being built on schedule
You're looking at small blips or changes in weather on a seasonal basis instead of overall changes in climate over time yoy.. I don't know why you always say .. sure either lol... but ok.. sure.

Sorry not the bridge but the U.S Customs Plaza

Best if Canada pays for $250M U.S. customs plaza, says U.S. - Windsor - CBC News

Anyway, if you had the power to manage the fate of the Canadian economy what would you do with it? Do you not think its a good idea to diversify exports to other nations?
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Old 02-09-2015, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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I think a lot of the obsession comes from the fact that when we look at the USA we think. "It could be such a great country if only it was more like Canada"! LOL

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Old 02-09-2015, 07:16 PM
 
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I think a lot of the obsession comes for the fact that when we look at the USA we think. "It could be such a great country if only it was more like Canada"! LOL
LOL - is this the inferiority or the superiority complex talking - i'm confused
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Old 02-09-2015, 07:28 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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LOL - is this the inferiority or the superiority complex talking - i'm confused
Definitely "Superiority". It's not at all like I think the People are in any way better but our system in all of it's forms is far superior.
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Old 02-09-2015, 07:31 PM
 
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You're looking at small blips or changes in weather on a seasonal basis instead of overall changes in climate over time yoy.. I don't know why you always say .. sure either lol... but ok.. sure.
You make a good point. But your stats about the 10% drop was a seasonal blip directly related to the economy crash ... wasn't it?

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While Canada’s exports to the U.S. still account for the large majority of exports — with 70% of Canadian goods and services still destined to the U.S market in 2012 — this share is down from more than 80% in 2000.
So the article picks two years (high and low?) and calculates the 10% drop? What if I compare 2008 to 2014?

I say "sure" when it is hard to agree or disagree with a generic statement. Probably a bad habit ...

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Sorry not the bridge but the U.S Customs Plaza

Best if Canada pays for $250M U.S. customs plaza, says U.S. - Windsor - CBC News
I lived in Michigan for a few years. I can tell you that MI under Repub rule is not committed to infrastructure development. Canada had to spend millions of $$ to run ads on MI TV to counter the narrative that the Windsor-Detroit bridge was going to cost billions of MI dollars and jobs. In the end the vote against the bridge was defeated.

I am sure that this customs plaza deal is about the same issues. MI is broke. They dont have money for water and electricity in Detroit. And so I dont think you should draw conclusions about US-Canada relations based on this.

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Anyway, if you had the power to manage the fate of the Canadian economy what would you do with it? Do you not think its a good idea to diversify exports to other nations?
Yes. I agree with you. It is a good idea to diversify exports. But that should not come at the cost of exports to the US.

Canada has signed deals with many countries in Asia and EU. But we are yet to see significant results from these deals.

Canada-European Union: Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement (CETA)

Broadly speaking .... Canada needs to become more of a tech based economy. A small, rich, educated country should focus on exporting technology products.
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Old 02-09-2015, 08:05 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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You make a good point. But your stats about the 10% drop was a seasonal blip directly related to the economy crash ... wasn't it?



So the article picks two years (high and low?) and calculates the 10% drop? What if I compare 2008 to 2014?

I say "sure" when it is hard to agree or disagree with a generic statement. Probably a bad habit ...
Actually look at this article I think you got the pattern to what I was referring to and its more than just blips.. There are going to be those for sure but the overall trend over time is leading in one direction.. Its kind of like my investments over time but hopefully on the up lol.. . I was wrong about the 80's and 90's btw.. Peak exports were in 2002 but since have steadily declined and that is forecasted to continue.. I hope this is more than a generic statement for ya and I think there is far more to this than seasonal blips!!

http://www.td.com/document/PDF/econo...0212_trade.pdf

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I lived in Michigan for a few years. I can tell you that MI under Repub rule is not committed to infrastructure development. Canada had to spend millions of $$ to run ads on MI TV to counter the narrative that the Windsor-Detroit bridge was going to cost billions of MI dollars and jobs. In the end the vote against the bridge was defeated.

I am sure that this customs plaza deal is about the same issues. MI is broke. They dont have money for water and electricity in Detroit. And so I dont think you should draw conclusions about US-Canada relations based on this.

The Customs Plaza in the U.S is part of Homeland security why would MI pay for a Customs Plaza - shouldn't this be funded by the U.S government? Its not just that either - look at the Keystone pipeline and ENDLESS delays constructing it for weak reasons - that came from the State Dept dithering..

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Yes. I agree with you. It is a good idea to diversify exports. But that should not come at the cost of exports to the US.

Canada has signed deals with many countries in Asia and EU. But we are yet to see significant results from these deals.

Canada-European Union: Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement (CETA)

Broadly speaking .... Canada needs to become more of a tech based economy. A small, rich, educated country should focus on exporting technology products.
I'm not speaking to compromising trade with the U.S but expansion, diversification and less relative reliance yes.. As for exports to Asia and other nations - I don't have stats but I bet you a hole in a donut that exports in absolute and relative terms have risen particularly in the last 10-15 years.. As for what you stated broadly speaking I absolutely agree, Canada needs to focus more on innovation instead of such a large reliance on being a resource based economy. Having said that if you buy into global warming - things look bright for Canada until we reach the point of no return and we're all hooped and there's nowhere to hide..

Updates & Insights · Recommended Reading · Canada a world 'superpower' in waiting · Pasco

Anyway - In 10 years from now when Canada's exports to the U.S are at 66 percent or around there and we are exporting more to other nations relatively - please do come back and say - You were right F2

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Old 02-09-2015, 09:59 PM
 
Location: Windsor, Ontario, Canada
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The Customs Plaza in the U.S is part of Homeland security why would MI pay for a Customs Plaza - shouldn't this be funded by the U.S government? Its not just that either - look at the Keystone pipeline and ENDLESS delays constructing it for weak reasons - that came from the State Dept dithering..

It is. We're not waiting on Michigan anymore, and the bridge will be built without the support of the Michigan Legislature. The Obama Administration was supposed to include funding for the US plaza in the federal budget this year, but they never did.

And in reality, it really doesn't matter when they include it. The bridge and plaza won't be ready for use until 2019-2020 (pathetic, if you ask me), so the Canadian Government just decided to add it to the cost of the bridge to be amortized over the next few decades.

I just don't want Canadian tolls helping pay for their half of the infrastructure.

The only debacle that's been going on is that old bastard Matty Moroun, owner of the Ambassador Bridge, who has been throwing up road blocks left, right, and center.





Any how, OP, I know where you're coming from. I'll catch **** in the States here and there once the inevitable "eh?" comes out, or I can't tell anybody a damned thing about football. 80% of the time, it's just fun brotherly ribbing, and we continue to drink our faces off. Other times, it's anything from being a socialist, no free speech, not allowed to own guns, etc, etc. But I don't pay any attention to it because those people don't represent any significant portion of the US population. There's way too many morons in both countries that have the anonymity of the internet to talk **** behind. Hell, look at the comments on ANY Yahoo answers thing regarding either country, and you see the idiots come out of the wood work.

You can't even have a nice YouTube video dedicated to both our Armed Forces working side by side, as one unit, without all these armchair warriors belittling each country. If I had a nickle for every time I've read that America should "just take" Canada, I'd be rich.

Gotta take the good with the bad. We're a perfect team, and I don't think the vast majority of people in either country would rather have someone else as their neighbour.
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Old 02-09-2015, 10:11 PM
 
Location: LA, CA/ In This Time and Place
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Nah, I wouldn't quite say that. The UK is very distinctly different from both the US and Canada. If I drew a Venn diagram comparing the three countries, Canada would have much more in common with the US than with the UK. Despite what Canadians like to claim about similarities to the UK (the queen as the head of state, taxpayer-funded healthcare, etc.), we are culturally far closer to the US.

Or if you flip this around from the perspective of the U.S, their closest cultural compatriot is Canada. The UK and the two Anglo nations in Oz-land would come next.

Liberal Americans, especially those from the West Coast, are virtually indistinguishable from the average Canadian.

As for your original question, I'm pretty sure their comments, although rude, are made as a reaction to comments they have likely heard from Americans. It is always the innocent people who have to apologize for the rude behavior of their countrymen/women.
This is absolutely correct.
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Old 02-09-2015, 10:58 PM
 
Location: Alberta, Canada
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Any how, OP, I know where you're coming from. I'll catch **** in the States here and there once the inevitable "eh?" comes out, or I can't tell anybody a damned thing about football. 80% of the time, it's just fun brotherly ribbing, and we continue to drink our faces off. Other times, it's anything from being a socialist, no free speech, not allowed to own guns, etc, etc. But I don't pay any attention to it because those people don't represent any significant portion of the US population. There's way too many morons in both countries that have the anonymity of the internet to talk **** behind. Hell, look at the comments on ANY Yahoo answers thing regarding either country, and you see the idiots come out of the wood work.
Agree with you on the "fun brotherly ribbing." Most Americans I've met in the USA (and a good number who visit Canada) are in line with "fun brotherly ribbing." Underlying all, IMHO, is the fact that we're pretty much the same people, inhabiting the same continent, and we have to get along.

In person, when I've encountered Americans with misperceptions (e.g., "You have to do what the Queen tells you to," "You're not independent; you're British and they can control you," etc.), I gently correct them, as I know that they are arguing from ignorance--I doubt very much that they have had the opportunity to study our system of government, and understandably so. Most are glad to learn, and change their views. Some aren't ("You're still socialists who have been disarmed by your government!"); and those I leave be. I'm not going to argue in order to change them, because they don't seem to want to change. Hitting your head against a wall only feels good when you stop. It feels even better when you don't even start.

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You can't even have a nice YouTube video dedicated to both our Armed Forces working side by side, as one unit, without all these armchair warriors belittling each country. If I had a nickle for every time I've read that America should "just take" Canada, I'd be rich.
As an ex-CF (and he was tri-force; i.e. Army, Navy, Air Command) friend of mine once said (paraphrased), "After participating in joint exercises with US forces [Army. Navy, Air Force, Marines], I'd say that man-for-man, the CF is the equal of any US force. The problem is that US forces have more personnel and equipment at their disposal. But 1000 CF and 1000 US Army with standard infantry equipment--it would be a coin toss." Thankfully, it would never come down to that--regardless of the so-oft-heard "the US could take Canada any time it wants" here, cooler heads would prevail, and no conflict would ensue.

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Gotta take the good with the bad. We're a perfect team, and I don't think the vast majority of people in either country would rather have someone else as their neighbour.
Totally agree.
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