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Old 12-03-2015, 09:41 AM
 
Location: In transition
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I'm assuming you mean the First Nations, as we're all members of the first world.

I didn't say you couldn't live there, and based on the fact that the Inuit population for the entire country is barely 50,000 I would hardly say they're thriving.

Back on the road building thread I think I calculated that you could give every citizen of Nunavut a stipend of a few hundred grand annually and still be less than the cost of a road to the north.
Then the answer is simple... we have to find a way to increase the population of the north so a road becomes more economically viable. You can't have all new immigrants move to only Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal and Calgary.
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Old 12-03-2015, 09:53 AM
 
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Explain then how a railroad was built to Churchill in 1910 and is still there? Shouldn't it have sunk by now?
It has issues.

Permafrost threat to port: expert - Winnipeg Free Press
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Old 12-03-2015, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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I'm assuming you mean the First Nations, as we're all members of the first world.

I didn't say you couldn't live there, and based on the fact that the Inuit population for the entire country is barely 50,000 I would hardly say they're thriving.

Back on the road building thread I think I calculated that you could give every citizen of Nunavut a stipend of a few hundred grand annually and still be less than the cost of a road to the north.
But roads tend to have high initial fixed costs and smaller incremental maintenance costs. It costs much more to originally build it than it does in subsequent years to maintain it.
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Old 12-03-2015, 10:25 AM
 
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Yes and rail lines in California have problems due to earthquakes, a rail line got washed out in Mississippi due to Hurricane Katrina, etc...

When that happens you rebuild. So you have a warmer than normal summer that causes the permafrost to melt and causes shifting, you rebuild. It's called the cost of doing business in a certain environment.
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Old 12-03-2015, 10:33 AM
 
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Yes and rail lines in California have problems due to earthquakes, a rail line got washed out in Mississippi due to Hurricane Katrina, etc...

When that happens you rebuild. So you have a warmer than normal summer that causes the permafrost to melt and causes shifting, you rebuild. It's called the cost of doing business in a certain environment.
Earthquakes are not a yearly occurrence on the same lines over and over. There is a limit to what should be spent on infrastructure that costs too much to maintain.

This has been pointed out to you several times, but you simply playing at being obtuse.
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Old 12-03-2015, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Hougary, Texberta
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Then the answer is simple... we have to find a way to increase the population of the north so a road becomes more economically viable. You can't have all new immigrants move to only Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal and Calgary.
Unfortunately for your view Canadians are free to move about their country. Now if we were the good old Soviet Union we could enforce a population stay in one place at gunpoint, but you could put ALL the immigrants in the north, and shortly thereafter, they won't be there.

Just go. Take a flight, go to Tuktoyuktuk or Iqualuit in February and hang for a few days. Let me know how badly you want that to be your home. Or better yet, go in the summer when the blackflies and horseflies are in full bloom.

I agree with Natnasci, you're being purposely obtuse.
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Old 12-03-2015, 11:21 AM
 
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Unfortunately for your view Canadians are free to move about their country. Now if we were the good old Soviet Union we could enforce a population stay in one place at gunpoint, but you could put ALL the immigrants in the north, and shortly thereafter, they won't be there.

Just go. Take a flight, go to Tuktoyuktuk or Iqualuit in February and hang for a few days. Let me know how badly you want that to be your home. Or better yet, go in the summer when the blackflies and horseflies are in full bloom.

I agree with Natnasci, you're being purposely obtuse.
All I know if I was given the choice between living in squalor in some 3rd world refugee camp where there is violence and insecurity and moving to a settlement in the North where it's quiet and peaceful... I know what I would choose.
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Old 12-03-2015, 11:43 AM
 
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All I know if I was given the choice between living in squalor in some 3rd world refugee camp where there is violence and insecurity and moving to a settlement in the North where it's quiet and peaceful... I know what I would choose.
It's more complicated than that. Sure you could admit people and say: "Welcome to Canada! Your new home is Churchill, Manitoba. Board the plane at gate 22."

But once settled here people have freedom of movement, and few people would stay in those places unless there were really good opportunities for them.

When I was a kid Canada admitted about 60,000 "boat people" who were refugees of the Vietnam War. The support network that greeted and settled them was based on churches and other charity groups. As a result many of these Vietnamese families ended up welcomed into very small communities from coast to coast. But very few of them settled permanently and after five or ten years most had moved to larger cities. Still, those I have met are still very thankful for what the small-towners did for them, and still maintain relationships in many cases.

I was actually tipped off to this fascinating story when I a met a Vietnamese person in Montreal who spoke French with a distinctive southeastern New Brunswick Acadian accent.
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Old 12-03-2015, 12:09 PM
 
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It's more complicated than that. Sure you could admit people and say: "Welcome to Canada! Your new home is Churchill, Manitoba. Board the plane at gate 22."

But once settled here people have freedom of movement, and few people would stay in those places unless there were really good opportunities for them.

When I was a kid Canada admitted about 60,000 "boat people" who were refugees of the Vietnam War. The support network that greeted and settled them was based on churches and other charity groups. As a result many of these Vietnamese families ended up welcomed into very small communities from coast to coast. But very few of them settled permanently and after five or ten years most had moved to larger cities. Still, those I have met are still very thankful for what the small-towners did for them, and still maintain relationships in many cases.

I was actually tipped off to this fascinating story when I a met a Vietnamese person in Montreal who spoke French with a distinctive southeastern New Brunswick Acadian accent.
That's true. They can move anywhere they want after a while provided they want to move elsewhere in the country and there are opportunities for them. I still think we need to promote the growth of small towns otherwise everyone will move to the cities and the small towns will be abandoned and deserted. That won't be good for Canada I think.
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Old 12-03-2015, 12:13 PM
 
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It's more complicated than that. Sure you could admit people and say: "Welcome to Canada! Your new home is Churchill, Manitoba. Board the plane at gate 22."

But once settled here people have freedom of movement, and few people would stay in those places unless there were really good opportunities for them.

When I was a kid Canada admitted about 60,000 "boat people" who were refugees of the Vietnam War. The support network that greeted and settled them was based on churches and other charity groups. As a result many of these Vietnamese families ended up welcomed into very small communities from coast to coast. But very few of them settled permanently and after five or ten years most had moved to larger cities. Still, those I have met are still very thankful for what the small-towners did for them, and still maintain relationships in many cases.

I was actually tipped off to this fascinating story when I a met a Vietnamese person in Montreal who spoke French with a distinctive southeastern New Brunswick Acadian accent.
Definitely true. People come for economic opportunities as well as higher quality of life. I don't think places like Churchill MB offer either of those.


Thousands of foreign students study in Canada every year, and the vast majority end up in 2 or 3 large cities eventually. Almost all Chinese students I know of who studied in the Maritimes for example now work and live in Toronto. It is unimaginable for someone to stay in Winnipeg after graduation, not to mention Churchill. They would probably prefer going back home if that's the only choice.
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