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Old 02-13-2016, 07:35 PM
 
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Canadian healthcare is not something most Americans want. I like my freedom of being able to choose my own doctor and see any specialist I want across the country within a timely fashion.

I do NOT want the government choosing my doctor or government officials deciding what medical care I need and need not get. I like my freedom of choice, I do not want to be left helpless to decide my own medical date like Canadians. My co-worker's brother had a Canadian friend who died of Cancer in Canada's system because they put him on a waiting list for a year to see a oncologist. When I heard this story I couldn't believe my own ears. What a terrible thing to have to go through. Canadas system is immoral.
As other poster have said already, everyone in Canada chooses their own doctor. The government doesn't assign you one, and the government doesn't pick a date for you to go. You go when the doctor is first available. As for waiting lists, the only thing I can guess at is demand is a lot higher than there is supply. When you have more patients than doctors, waiting lists happen. In the US, we don't have a lot in terms of waiting lists because half the patients can't afford to go to the doctor even with health insurance! The deductibles on so many plans are high! In the UK, my wife was also not assigned a doctor she was able to pick her own, "in-network" doctor with no deductibles to worry about, no bills to worry about. Also, she was able to get an appointment for the same week if she needed one.

Most Americans can't criticize any other country's healthcare at all because they really haven't seen it for themselves. I was floored how efficient, quick, and stress free NHS visits were with my wife. And another thing, the doctor sits down with you for longer than 10 minutes and doesn't bill you extra. Canada and the UK have problems in their healthcare system, but ask anyone in those countries if they would prefer having the US healthcare system, 99% would flat-out say no way
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Old 02-13-2016, 08:30 PM
 
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As other poster have said already, everyone in Canada chooses their own doctor. The government doesn't assign you one, and the government doesn't pick a date for you to go. You go when the doctor is first available. As for waiting lists, the only thing I can guess at is demand is a lot higher than there is supply. When you have more patients than doctors, waiting lists happen. In the US, we don't have a lot in terms of waiting lists because half the patients can't afford to go to the doctor even with health insurance! The deductibles on so many plans are high! In the UK, my wife was also not assigned a doctor she was able to pick her own, "in-network" doctor with no deductibles to worry about, no bills to worry about. Also, she was able to get an appointment for the same week if she needed one.

Most Americans can't criticize any other country's healthcare at all because they really haven't seen it for themselves. I was floored how efficient, quick, and stress free NHS visits were with my wife. And another thing, the doctor sits down with you for longer than 10 minutes and doesn't bill you extra. Canada and the UK have problems in their healthcare system, but ask anyone in those countries if they would prefer having the US healthcare system, 99% would flat-out say no way
If I had an issue with the H.C system here I'd be the first to pipe up and say hey - there are issues.. Truth is and I don't know if its because i'm in a high population centre but I don't have problems with waiting lists or issues seeing either my Doctor or a Walk-in clinic Doctor or a Specialist when necessary.. I suppose that is why most Canadians on these forums get defensive and that is because the nonsense they are hearing is largely not the reality they live so its more like wtf are these people talking about - clearly they have an agenda.

Anyone can cherry pick a horror story and magnify it for impact I suppose.. I'm surprised some Americans doing this don't have better things to do with their time... I've said before if Americans don't want a Canadian style system that is fine by us - we really don't give a frack what system the U.S has - its an internal matter to that country.
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Old 02-13-2016, 09:03 PM
 
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And once again we find ourselves responding to a couple of stupid posts by a poster subsequently deleted for the obvious reason.

Tiresome stuff indeed.
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Old 02-13-2016, 09:48 PM
 
Location: Canada
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And once again we find ourselves responding to a couple of stupid posts by a poster subsequently deleted for the obvious reason.

Tiresome stuff indeed.
I guess I spend too much time in Non-Romantic Relationship forum where trolls frequently start threads with naive questions asking advice. Perhaps they win a toaster or something from somebody if they can generate x number of replies. Anyway I looked at the user name and thought troll even before I looked at the post count or read the post. So I didn't waste my time responding.
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Old 02-13-2016, 09:51 PM
 
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My own family's experience shows how Canada's system is great - as long as you don't have to wait.

One relative needed bypass surgery - urgently. He was booked for surgery the next day with one of Canada's top heart doctors. A good outcome although the after care was poor.

Another needed a MS diagnosis via MRI. 11 month wait as it wasn't considered urgent.

Canada's system covers everyone equally (at least generally, I realize it will differ by province) and access is determined by urgency. Therefore those with means will go elsewhere for faster coverage.

The US's system is inequal. Those with means will be seen right away. Therefore those without the means will go elsewhere for cheaper coverage.

One's viewpoint of either system will depend on your personal situation.
Why can't the Canadian system afford more technology, like the MRI machines? Is it underfunded? An 11-month wait just for an MRI, seriously?
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Old 02-13-2016, 09:55 PM
 
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A poster from Texas, in Politics and Other Controversies, said this of the Canadian healthcare system that it is "cratering" with just a fraction of the US population. Without putting words in their mouth, from my interpretation, that Canada's healthcare system is failing and will collapse in the future. I'd like to hear from Canadians, is your healthcare system unsustainable and will it "crater" anytime soon? I'm supporting Bernie Sanders for president (this isn't another Canada bash topic) who wants a similar Canadian setup in the US which I favor. But this is a talking point frequently thrown around in right-wing circles down here. I'm not Canadian, but I don't see the system in Canada circling the drain, what do all of you think?
How does Sanders propose to pay for that? More taxes? He also wants to make education affordable. Where's the money for that going to come from? If he wants to pay for everything with more taxes, how does he plan to get that past Republicans in Congress?

Talk is easy. Making radical changes--not so much.
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Old 02-13-2016, 09:58 PM
 
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How does Sanders propose to pay for that? More taxes? He also wants to make education affordable. Where's the money for that going to come from? If he wants to pay for everything with more taxes, how does he plan to get that past Republicans in Congress?

Talk is easy. Making radical changes--not so much.
He already talked about it. Stop watching Trump and go watch Sanders if you want to know. He put it out there for all to see. Go and find it
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Old 02-13-2016, 10:03 PM
 
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He already talked about it. Stop watching Trump and go watch Sanders if you want to know. He put it out there for all to see. Go and find it
Thanks for the link. So much for discussing on the discussion forum.
You couldn't pay me to watch Trump. Nice try at stereotyping a complete stranger, though.
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Old 02-13-2016, 10:03 PM
 
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If I had an issue with the H.C system here I'd be the first to pipe up and say hey - there are issues.. Truth is and I don't know if its because i'm in a high population centre but I don't have problems with waiting lists or issues seeing either my Doctor or a Walk-in clinic Doctor or a Specialist when necessary.. I suppose that is why most Canadians on these forums get defensive and that is because the nonsense they are hearing is largely not the reality they live so its more like wtf are these people talking about - clearly they have an agenda.

Anyone can cherry pick a horror story and magnify it for impact I suppose.. I'm surprised some Americans doing this don't have better things to do with their time... I've said before if Americans don't want a Canadian style system that is fine by us - we really don't give a frack what system the U.S has - its an internal matter to that country.
Despite the really cold winters up there, you guys have it made with real universal healthcare up there, not the crap we have down here. I think we should have Canada's system down here, and it's probably the only politically feasible solution. We already have your system here, unfortunately it's only for Americans 65 years old and older. You hear people on Medicare complain about it sometimes, but suggest taking it away from them because they don't like it, they'll scream bloody murder to "get your hands off my Medicare". First to complain, first to fight to keep it.

I think what the insurance monopoly in the US is so scared of, is that they don't want Americans to recognize we also have a right to healthcare. They know once we go down the single payer path, they won't win again for generations. It's the same story over and over again. Republicans don't want any more government programs, but dammit you're not taking away anything they personally benefit from.

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Thanks for the link. So much for discussing on the discussion forum.
You couldn't pay me to watch Trump.
Well, if you want your questions answered, better to read it from the source. Mine is subject to interpretation, his isn't
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Old 02-13-2016, 10:13 PM
 
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I don't think there's an easy solution to the health care dilemma. You should study single payer systems before jumping on that bandwagon. I used to be pro-single-payer, too, until I studied Sweden's system. Not enough doctors, weeks of waiting just to be seen for a flu or other shorter-term illness (a lot of Swedes keep a savings account for when they need to go to the doc, so they'll have cash to pay the doctors who operate independently of the insurance system. That way they can get seen right away), hospitals and clinics closing when there's an economic downturn and the government needs to cut costs. This means that rural residents have to drive for a couple of hours to the next hospital, and of course, due to the fact that the neighboring county just lost their hospital, the one hospital left in the general region is swamped, so the long waiting lists become even longer, even the emergency rooms.

I think insurance companies should become non-profit, clinics should be non-profit, to bring costs down. The number of for-profit specialty clinics continues to skyrocket in the US, in spite of years of public discussion and insurance company efforts to cut costs. More and more docs have figured out that insurance is a cash cow, and they start their own group clinics to milk it for all it's worth.

But we're digressing. Back to the Canuck Channel.....
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