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That is an actual practical racial divide for you.....but it is in Canada....
Canada does have standards. Someone educated as, for example, an engineer or a doctor in some other country has to pass exams to demonstrate that their quality of education is equal to that of a Canadian education. That shouldn't be a problem, but it is for those whose education is inferior to a Canadian education.
People who are born in Canada have obtained PhD degrees and drive a cab. That happens to everyone, not just new immigrants.
The flip side of the coin is that some companies only hire new immigrants, and that happens too.
Canada does have standards. Someone educated as, for example, an engineer or a doctor in some other country has to pass exams to demonstrate that their quality of education is equal to that of a Canadian education. That shouldn't be a problem, but it is for those whose education is inferior to a Canadian education.
Same for the US, there are standards...somewhat foreign professionals are on average more successful isouth of the border...and that is a problem if Canada wants to really attract the best talents,
Same for the US, there are standards...somewhat foreign professionals are on average more successful isouth of the border...and that is a problem if Canada wants to really attract the best talents,
I don't think Canada needs to import the brightest of the brightest. They are typically home grown, which is why it can be difficult for the brightest of the brightest from other countries to compete.
One funny fact of life is that if a Canadian is ineligible for, for example, a PhD program in Canada, that person can always register in some sort of private educational institution in the US, pay upwards of $100,000, and obtain the PhD. Believe it or not, that PhD will get them somewhere, but it will not get them to the same place as it would if they obtained a degree from a Canadian educational institution.
Another example is midwives. Some Canadian universities offer a 4 year degree in midwifery. It is one step down from an obstetrician. If midwives want to practice in Canada, they need to complete that degree. People from the US who complete similar studies complain that they can't practice in Canada, but all they have to do is demonstrate that their training is equivalent or better and they can practice. Usually, they stop at complaining.
Canada claims to want to do that...attract the best and brightest...
Sure, why not, but that doesn't mean that foreign best and brightest don't have to compete with home grown best and brightest. Do it as well or better, great! Have some third rate credential that is not comparable to a Canadian education --> no thank you.
Why would Canada seek "superpower" status, when it continues to evolve as parliamentary democracy's finest success story? Expansion driven by carefully-vetted immigrants, and an economic "safety net" more carefully policed than the "overloaded lifeboat" to the south. Scandinavia without the class-consciousness and elitism.
In the early years of the Twentieth Century, there was a small movement, mostly in the agrarian prairie provinces, to leave the Dominion and seek admission to the U S as states. While it's certainly never going to happen, I'd love to see a similar movement evolve in the American Mountain and High Plains States (ND, SD, NE, WY, MT, ID) in reverse.
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Sure, why not, but that doesn't mean that foreign best and brightest don't have to compete with home grown best and brightest. Do it as well or better, great! Have some third rate credential that is not comparable to a Canadian education --> no thank you.
BTW, I have several Asian-Canadian immigrant friends who understood, well before they emigrated, that their own credentials had little intrinsic value. They emigrated anyway, planning (as most responsible immigrants everywhere do) for their descendants. It's what most of us recognize as what it's really all about. And anyway, they're doing quite well on their own.
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I have several Asian-Canadian immigrant friends who understood, well before they emigrated, that their own credentials had little intrinsic value. They emigrated anyway, planning (as most responsible immigrants everywhere do) for their descendants. It's what most of us recognize as what it's really all about.
....except the fact that Canada does evaluate potential immigrant qualifications and credentials as a fundamental part of the point system....the fact you guys actually do not see anything wrong with it it is appalling.
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....except the fact that Canada does evaluate potential immigrant qualifications and credentials as a fundamental part of the point system....the fact you guys actually do not see anything wrong with it it is appalling.
With all due respect, how should they select immigrants?
BTW as someone who immigrated to the US, I know that the US immigration system is no better. My dad is incredibly talented and has contributed more to the country than many Americans. Yet it still took us about 15 years to become citizens. I can only imagine how painful the process must be for many other immigrants.
Also, Canada accepts more immigrants per capita than does the US.
Well, yeah, of course it does. Canada and every other country and its dog. What country doesn't want to keep or attract the best and brightest?
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Attracting the best and brightest is important but its also good to take the moral high ground and help the most needy as we have done with the Syrian refugees. Sometimes the average person when given a chance can become a productive and long term member of the economy and our society at large. The world is more than just the 'best' - sometimes it can just be your average joe wanting to make a better living for himself and family.
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