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Old 05-19-2016, 10:28 PM
 
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I guess when the murders were committed by the British it was all good huh??
But ... but ... the British are cute and drink tea out of little cups ... surely we can forgive them colonizing half the world. Wait, how did the Brits get Canada from the First Nations and the Acadians?

And don't forget to add to your list, the murderous French Canadians, Metis and even Mackenzie King's grandfather, all of whom fought for responsible government in Canada.
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Old 05-20-2016, 07:32 AM
 
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....so for you the American revolution was a "murderous event".....guess what, when countries did need to fight for their independence and not given to them for free in small steps at the ruler choosing often things got messy...so the French revolution was bloody or the Italian independence from Austria, Mexico from Spain, India, etc...

Not to mention that these "violent murderers" of the south saved your beloved monarchy derriere during WWII and without them in the first place you would probably still be a British Subject.....and probably you would not care anyway.....


I guess when the murders were committed by the British it was all good huh??
Geez louise Saturno; you're banging on as if the average guy behind a plough in America had any opinion on the matter of him being taxed but not having a say way across the pond. The picking up of arms happened as a result of the tide rolling over them so as to cause them HAVING to make a choice. Nothing more, nothing less.

Mr. Smith sitting in his log cabin after a day of tending his fields had no freak'n idea until the bullets started flying as to what the hell he was expected to fight for.

Stop making this about a revolution that all oppressed citizens were clambouring over each other to sign up for. They weren't!

Myths of the American Revolution | History | Smithsonian

"Washington predicted that “after the first emotions are over,” those who were willing to serve from a belief in the “goodness of the cause” would amount to little more than “a drop in the Ocean.” He was correct. As 1776 progressed, many colonies were compelled to entice soldiers with offers of cash bounties, clothing, blankets and extended furloughs or enlistments shorter than the one-year term of service established by Congress."

Ergo: they were bribed to fight! Hooohah!

Hold on with the "saving the monarchy" bit too; as an actual invasion of Britain became impossible due to the battle in the air having been fought and won before the U.S. bothered to get involved.

America's role in WWII cannot be overstated but that part is bullcrap.

Canada, Australia New Zealand and a host of others have all sought reasoned courses of action regarding their supposed subjugation by any Monarchy. We have less intrusion upon our political affairs by that family than you do by your oligarchy in the U.S. buying your leaders for wholesale prices like a bargain basement sale at Macy's.

This present U.S. election cycle could not illustrate in any more graphic manner as to what extent the wheels have fallen off your democracy wagon.

This Canadian, if given any choice in the matter, will accept a few more years of Royal visits and shots of Kate and kiddies if the alternative is that cluster fugg, hog auction you think of as a functioning democracy.
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Old 05-20-2016, 08:11 AM
 
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Not to mention that these "violent murderers" of the south saved your beloved monarchy derriere during WWII and without them in the first place you would probably still be a British Subject.....
You really should read this thread:

//www.city-data.com/forum/polit...iet-union.html

The thread was started in Politics forum last week and was soon hijacked by a bunch of well-informed amateur WWII military historians. It's a fascinating read.
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Old 05-20-2016, 08:30 AM
 
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Geez louise Saturno; you're banging on as if the average guy behind a plough in America had any opinion on the matter of him being taxed but not having a say way across the pond. The picking up of arms happened as a result of the tide rolling over them so as to cause them HAVING to make a choice. Nothing more, nothing less.


Mr. Smith sitting in his log cabin after a day of tending his fields had no freak'n idea until the bullets started flying as to what the hell he was expected to fight for.

Stop making this about a revolution that all oppressed citizens were clambouring over each other to sign up for. They weren't!
In all revolutions, the "little people" get involved at last but usually they do not start with them...same for the French revolution.

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Hold on with the "saving the monarchy" bit too; as an actual invasion of Britain became impossible due to the battle in the air having been fought and won before the U.S. bothered to get involved.

America's role in WWII cannot be overstated but that part is bullcrap.

The battle of England was only a temporary relief, Hitler was not totally dedicated to the crushing of England, he hoped a compromise could have been reached (England to keep its naval power, acceptance of Germany European hegemony with her "living space" objective in Russia) so he diverted his attention to the east and bringing the destruction of communism to the bargaining table.....if he had the determination to destroy England he would have done it, he had the military and industrial strength at that time to do it...the rest is history with the involvement of United States.

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Canada, Australia New Zealand and a host of others have all sought reasoned courses of action regarding their supposed subjugation by any Monarchy.
Canada, Australia and New Zealand were granted independence in no small part because what happened during the American revolution, England understood that the direct political management of the colonies was untenable.

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We have less intrusion upon our political affairs by that family than you do by your oligarchy in the U.S. buying your leaders for wholesale prices like a bargain basement sale at Macy's.

This present U.S. election cycle could not illustrate in any more graphic manner as to what extent the wheels have fallen off your democracy wagon.

This Canadian, if given any choice in the matter, will accept a few more years of Royal visits and shots of Kate and kiddies if the alternative is that cluster fugg, hog auction you think of as a functioning democracy.
If you think that politicians are not corrupted everywhere and that Canada does not have an oligarchy have a bridge to sell in New York...democracy can be messy...

The monarchy in Canada is not the reason why your political process is less, let's say, "choreographic"
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Old 05-20-2016, 10:53 AM
 
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In all revolutions, the "little people" get involved at last but usually they do not start with them...same for the French revolution.




The battle of England was only a temporary relief, Hitler was not totally dedicated to the crushing of England, he hoped a compromise could have been reached (England to keep its naval power, acceptance of Germany European hegemony with her "living space" objective in Russia) so he diverted his attention to the east and bringing the destruction of communism to the bargaining table.....if he had the determination to destroy England he would have done it, he had the military and industrial strength at that time to do it...the rest is history with the involvement of United States.



Canada, Australia and New Zealand were granted independence in no small part because what happened during the American revolution, England understood that the direct political management of the colonies was untenable.



If you think that politicians are not corrupted everywhere and that Canada does not have an oligarchy have a bridge to sell in New York...democracy can be messy...

The monarchy in Canada is not the reason why your political process is less, let's say, "choreographic"
Okie, dokie Saturn. In furtherance of consideration of topic maintenance we'll just have to agree to disagree on a couple of those, perhaps not all of them, but a couple.
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Old 05-20-2016, 05:55 PM
 
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Okie, dokie Saturn. In furtherance of consideration of topic maintenance we'll just have to agree to disagree on a couple of those, perhaps not all of them, but a couple.
I find it so revealing when some posters will continually demean our Country..Yet we get praised when we HELP them...tho back handedly suggest there something in it for us?? SMH..

I take from that..continuations from Fox and other right wing extreme sites, who constantly bash Canadianism..as some sort of a Socialistic Society..thus worried our life will somehow INFECT theirs....LOL All the while the majority of their populations actually understands it.. Old beliefs will eventually die out ..as this election cycle is proving almost daily since last summer!!

BUT those extreme type refuse...Libertarianism..Isolationism..Label any Government who choses to CONSIDER their whole populous versus the "Ones who deserve it" mentality is actually dying out..(Much to their chagrin ) ..Socialism is some sort of DIRTY world..as is COMPROMISE ..same thing..Give them nothing..make them Succumb to WHAT WE want..

BUT those who want increase while their proponents who want are disappearing year by year.. the extreme ones finally came out of the woodwork when BO got elected...That past 7.5 years will be recorded in the history books!!

Canada may not be perfect ..but as a Vietnam vet's wife..I'm sure glad I will never have to try to exist is such a nasty Political environment forever more ...

Politics in Canada is far more professional..tho some scrums occur..but nobody here has to listen constantly of soundbites of nasty Cr@p that is on loops in American Media day in and on 24/7 repetition streamings ( cable and online and yep even here on C-D!!

LOL..Are American's jealous that such a large Country (Canada)aren't so zealous? nor Angry? nor political decisive?? I personally never understood such hatred towards another Political Party in my lifetime living in Canada...Guess that's the Cross some have to bear
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Old 05-20-2016, 07:01 PM
 
Location: B.C., Canada
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....... Not to mention that these "violent murderers" of the south saved your beloved monarchy derriere during WWII and without them in the first place you would probably still be a British Subject.....and probably you would not care anyway.....
Really? You're trying to tell me those violent murderers were all still alive right into the 20th century, over 150 years after gaining their independence? Really???? I want to know their secret of longevity.

Here ...... get a grip. Pull the other one.

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Old 05-20-2016, 07:16 PM
 
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So do you guys think Canada can potentially be a superpower? It has a plethora of resources and an abundance of space.
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Old 05-20-2016, 07:26 PM
 
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So do you guys think Canada can potentially be a superpower? It has a plethora of resources and an abundance of space.
The attainment of the commonly expressed "superpower" status requires a certain mindset.

We are blessedly content to be merely respected; are already advanced in education quotients, have a universal healthcare system, are among the happiest people on the planet with one of the top ten QOL ratings.

What's left?

We have no desire to be feared.
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Old 05-20-2016, 07:40 PM
 
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I find it so revealing when some posters will continually demean our Country..Yet we get praised when we HELP them...tho back handedly suggest there something in it for us?? SMH..

I take from that..continuations from Fox and other right wing extreme sites, who constantly bash Canadianism..as some sort of a Socialistic Society..thus worried our life will somehow INFECT theirs....LOL All the while the majority of their populations actually understands it.. Old beliefs will eventually die out ..as this election cycle is proving almost daily since last summer!!

BUT those extreme type refuse...Libertarianism..Isolationism..Label any Government who choses to CONSIDER their whole populous versus the "Ones who deserve it" mentality is actually dying out..(Much to their chagrin ) ..Socialism is some sort of DIRTY world..as is COMPROMISE ..same thing..Give them nothing..make them Succumb to WHAT WE want..

BUT those who want increase while their proponents who want are disappearing year by year.. the extreme ones finally came out of the woodwork when BO got elected...That past 7.5 years will be recorded in the history books!!

Canada may not be perfect ..but as a Vietnam vet's wife..I'm sure glad I will never have to try to exist is such a nasty Political environment forever more ...

Politics in Canada is far more professional..tho some scrums occur..but nobody here has to listen constantly of soundbites of nasty Cr@p that is on loops in American Media day in and on 24/7 repetition streamings ( cable and online and yep even here on C-D!!

LOL..Are American's jealous that such a large Country (Canada)aren't so zealous? nor Angry? nor political decisive?? I personally never understood such hatred towards another Political Party in my lifetime living in Canada...Guess that's the Cross some have to bear

Tired stereotypes and cliches in overdrive.....

Few inconvenient truths on top of my mind for the "we are so much more progressive in Canada" cheerleaders.

United States had already a non white elected head of state (and probably on the verge of electing a woman), we had two ethnic individuals as major presidential candidates in this cycle not to mention 8 current serving elected ethnic governors....Canada?? Crickets....

Higher percentage of women and minorities in position of power at corporations

Light drugs use already legal in some states

Debt easier to discharge for distressed citizens

...but keep deluding yourself that Canada has always some to teach to its southern redneck neighbor...


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American's jealous that such a large Country

ahahahaha!!! that is a good one!!!

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