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Looks to me like you're just as bigoted as she is.
Really? Well you are entitled to your opinion, but I am well aware that I am entitled to mine. I have heard these types of comments and conversations first hands throughout the bulk of my life living in this city interacting with friends and acquaintances from those 2 cultural groups. Maybe post high school they gained more exposure to other groups in the city and been enlightened. Your random 2 cents which you are entitled too do not change my life experiences. Sorry. It is what it is.
Her statement isn't bigoted but definitely she's relying on stereotypes and it is clear she really doesn't know what's she's talking about she's making a judgement call based on limited information. She mentioned working class immigrant communities believing they are better than other groups.
Let's try enlightening and educating her immigrant Portuguese and Italians are family oriented cultures much more so than your typical Canadian or other North Americans that derived their self esteem from their educational level and job titles and what they own. I do think some of these immigrants do look down on cultures that are much more socially stratisfied or don't appear to have their act together. That's just the way it is even me as a well integrated Portuguese American I look at people's family dynamics and who they're related to first then consider their educational attainment and job titles and what they own as being much less significant.
She only made herself look uninformed and appears to have a chip on her shoulder. There are other ethnic groups in my view that are much less tolerant of non-white immigrants and I don't think that the non-White immigrants are any more tolerant in general of other immigrant groups.
I am not relying on sterotypes. I am basis this from my person first hand experiences with many many many people from those 2 communities in Toronto and the surrounding cities. I also NEVER said that everyone from those communties thought that this.
All I said is said on how she was speaking ( not the what she was saying) she seemed either from either Portuguese or Italian in background. I never made her the poster child for all or any people in those cultural backgrounds in Toronto. So I am not seeing why any of you are harping on this.
Conversly for AFP to suggest that no people from those 2 background would ever act or say something like this an ignorant generalizations.
Her statement isn't bigoted but definitely she's relying on stereotypes and it is clear she really doesn't know what's she's talking about she's making a judgement call based on limited information. She mentioned working class immigrant communities believing they are better than other groups.
Let's try enlightening and educating her immigrant Portuguese and Italians are family oriented cultures much more so than your typical Canadian or other North Americans that derived their self esteem from their educational level and job titles and what they own. I do think some of these immigrants do look down on cultures that are much more socially stratisfied or don't appear to have their act together. That's just the way it is even me as a well integrated Portuguese American I look at people's family dynamics and who they're related to first then consider their educational attainment and job titles and what they own as being much less significant.
She only made herself look uninformed and appears to have a chip on her shoulder. There are other ethnic groups in my view that are much less tolerant of non-white immigrants and I don't think that the non-White immigrants are any more tolerant in general of other immigrant groups.
My information about this not as limited as your think.
I am so tired of people making the we are more family oriented comment.
Totally nonsense as far as I am concerned.
Like the rest of people living in Canada the USA live like lone wolf.
Talk about generalization lol.
Ya ya ya .. you are family orientated and the rest of the world just dumps their kids off in the bushes and hopes of the best
I think certain people in general blame their lack of personal self ambition on any and every excuse in the book.
And people that gets twisted I know many educated and profession people that are of Italian and Portuguese Canadian backgrounds so I am not directing this comment specifically at them.
I think people that use the family orientated line need to actually get a clue about other cultures too.
Being family orientated does not mean that you don't go to school, get and education, travel and expose yourself to all else the world has too off.
You assume I don't know what I am talking about, but I have been living with and working with people from those community groups in Toronto my entire life. I am sitting in Little Portugal right now !
Oh my god. This thread has totally de-railed. I started a thread a while back ago about if you could tell what part of the city people were from by the way they talked and dressed and like next to no one responded. It feels like >75% of this conversation is focusing on that.
AFP ... and whoever else reads this thread I seriously did not mean to suggest that people from Portuguese or Italian backgrounds are more likely to be racist. That is not what I meant and that is not what I believe. So I am sorry if you took offense to my word choices.
Then there was the woman who said she objected to the X-Ray tech scheduled to perform a mammogram. She demanded a female tech.
This is a big issue in health care.
What we are seeing more and more is that there are more men becoming nurses and health care aides.
Also historically the health care system has been more accomidating to women wanting women to to provide care ex to help change or shower them.
But realistically we are not long able to accomidate this as it is discriminatory and more and more facilities are formally saying no we can't accomidate this as it violates labour laws.
So if this is really important to someone it is there problem to find someone that meet their criteria, but from an organization's stand point it can not be formally accomidated without violating the human rights of the employees.
Hey; let's talk about men undergoing the prostate manipulation digit exam for a bit. Which would YOU prefer; another man mining for gold or a very attractive 30 year old female doctor?
There, does that manage to send us off on another, more humorous tangent a little less controversial but still with all the cachet of personal prejudices included?
Hey; let's talk about men undergoing the prostate manipulation digit exam for a bit. Which would YOU prefer; another man mining for gold or a very attractive 30 year old female doctor?
There, does that manage to send us off on another, more humorous tangent a little less controversial but still with all the cachet of personal prejudices included?
All joking aside. We deal with this issue a lot in health care. If it is a non emergency issue and are able to look around for someone that you would like to work with more for whatever reason that is your business.
But people cant fail to remember is most care settings hospitals, larger health care clinics and long term care facilities etc most staff are unionized. Also provincial labour laws would not be accepting of infringing of the rights of employees to accomidate these preferences. It is also dangerous ex prolonging delivery of care due to preferences that actually have not relationship to the quality of the clinical care provided. Staff are not trained differently.
To be honest I wish I could turn unreasonable patients and clients away, but there are HUGE legal consequences for doing that. In most cases you along might be liable if something happens to them. With in a few mintues I could draft a list of patients ( more because of their families) that I would not want to deal with due to their conduct ex threatening or abusive conduct. But honestly every health care profession about easily sit down and share stories of the extremly difficulty and unreasonable patients and families that they have had to endure dealing with.
If you walked up to my friends who were part of a group of us, and had no prior knowledge that they were of Portuguese origin, and could tell that they were, well then that's a pretty special talent.
There's nothing special about it quite a few people can pick out people of their own ethnic group and physical appearance is only part of it.
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