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Old 07-06-2017, 02:56 AM
 
Location: Tricity, PL
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Personal choice to kill a baby.

If men could get pregnant, there would be little debate about abortion ...
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Old 07-06-2017, 02:59 AM
 
Location: Canada
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Personal choice.

I'm a doctor. Personal choice means to me that a woman uses abortion to terminate an unwanted pregnancy. Where it becomes immoral is when abortion is used as a birth control method. It's your body though...

Yeah, I agree that using abortion as a birth control method is just really wrong, and it's stupid. I don't know how common that is in other countries but fortunately that practise appears to not be popular in Canada. For that matter, abortion in Canada isn't as prevalent today as it was, say, 20 to 30 years ago. I think that's because today girls and young women here are better educated and more up to date about birth control methods. They also have more independence and control over their personal lives and circumstances than they did 20 years ago and more so they're able to make better and more responsible choices for theirselves.


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Old 07-06-2017, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Land Of Smiles
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An embryo is not a baby.
24 weeks? Try think harder.
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Old 07-06-2017, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Land Of Smiles
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If men could get pregnant, there would be little debate about abortion ...
Sexes are not equal, despite some recent claims. If a woman kills here baby while the baby is inside (after 20 weeks), she is considered an independent, progressive, prochoice, .... If the same baby is outside the woman is already a murderer by the law system.

No wonder that birth rates are going down with such mentality. Progressive mentality.
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Old 07-06-2017, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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I don't think it has much to do with progressivism (whatever that means by whoever's standards) as it does with what is possible, practical, affordable and feasible. I think it's more about needing to factor in availability (or lack of availability) of medical facilities and procedures, availability of health care providers and the populations of each of the towns and populations of each of the provinces/territories in general. Ontario, Quebec and British Columbia have quite a bit higher populations than others, plus they have the biggest cities and the most advanced medical facilities and specialists / HC professionals. Also each province/territory has its own health care insurance provider setting its own policies about coverage. Then there's the fact that some provinces/territories have pockets of populations with differing cultural, ethnic and religious practices to be taken into consideration. No two provinces / territories are the same across Canada, nor should they need to be the same nor be put into same size boxes. Canada is a patchwork quilt, not a grey army blanket. So many things need to be factored in but I personally don't think progressivism is an issue.

I do think too many people are making too big a deal out of what they consider to be progressivism. It's starting to sound like a meaningless and redundant buzz word that's getting flogged to death without being thoroughly defined and agreed upon by everyone as to what constitutes its exact definition.


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Regarding facilities and resources... it doesn't take that much space-age equipment or super-duper facilities in order to run an abortion clinic. It's a fairly simple procedure.


The provinces where abortion access is more limited or difficult are more or less required by Canadian law to provide this service but drag their feet on the issue primarily for moral/ethical reasons. Not practical ones.


They'll use the excuse that they don't have that many doctors and that the ones they have are too busy to do abortions, but... yeah... sure.


Also, a number of provinces are embroiled in regulatory and quasi-legal squabbles with (some of) their doctors because they are legally required to provide all services covered under legislation, or at least provide referrals for any service - which includes abortion. But some doctors even in Ontario refuse to provide referrals for abortions and cite their right to religious freedom or moral conscience when they refuse to refer women to doctors who perform abortions.


BTW, I am not a militant pro-abortion activist. Just giving you the lay of the land.
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Old 04-25-2023, 04:13 PM
 
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Abortion was never actually legalized in Canada. It's decriminalized which is why we have no law. Access is poor outside of huge cities and CPC's are pretty common in Ontario and other provinces.

Abortion legality is still something that could be under threat in Canada. Of course less likely than the U.S but don't underestimate conservative attacks on it.

Doug Ford was elected because of partially pro life backing from "right now" and the campaign for life coalition which assisted in his 2018 campaign. As a child I lived under Mike the knife Harris but at least he NEVER aligned himself with anti abortion people and apparently (just reading an article from the past) told the socially conservative wing of the province to get lost and would not tolerate their B.S.

It's disturbing that Ontario has elected a premier with anti abortion ties twice. Not too mention a potential Prime Minister candidate with a history anti abortion stances.

At least with Harris and also Harper there was no alignment with this crap. They were free market meanies but not anti abortion Christian loons like stateside.
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Old 04-25-2023, 11:51 PM
 
Location: Tricity, PL
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I guess Americans will have choices North and South of the border.
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Old 04-26-2023, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Abortion was never actually legalized in Canada. It's decriminalized which is why we have no law. Access is poor outside of huge cities and CPC's are pretty common in Ontario and other provinces.

Abortion legality is still something that could be under threat in Canada. Of course less likely than the U.S but don't underestimate conservative attacks on it.

Doug Ford was elected because of partially pro life backing from "right now" and the campaign for life coalition which assisted in his 2018 campaign. As a child I lived under Mike the knife Harris but at least he NEVER aligned himself with anti abortion people and apparently (just reading an article from the past) told the socially conservative wing of the province to get lost and would not tolerate their B.S.

It's disturbing that Ontario has elected a premier with anti abortion ties twice. Not too mention a potential Prime Minister candidate with a history anti abortion stances.

At least with Harris and also Harper there was no alignment with this crap. They were free market meanies but not anti abortion Christian loons like stateside.
I think if these Conservative Politicians in Canada would engage in hard anti-abortion rhetoric or criminalize and actually try to prosecute abortions would be akin to political suicide.
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Old 04-26-2023, 07:21 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Regarding facilities and resources... it doesn't take that much space-age equipment or super-duper facilities in order to run an abortion clinic. It's a fairly simple procedure.
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Abortion was never actually legalized in Canada. It's decriminalized which is why we have no law. Access is poor outside of huge cities
What "facilities"? Why a "procedure"? "Access"? Is the abortion pill not widely available in Canada? I read recently, that many European countries consider old-fashioned D&C abortions unsafe, and the so-called "morning-after pill" has been the norm for decades. I got the impression it's only the US among developed nations that was still doing D&C's primarily, and that the reason for the US lagging behind in that regard was due to the Puritan contingent. Spiffy hospitals or clinics are no longer needed to bring about abortions. A doctor's guidance on taking the pill, yes, but no special equipment.
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Old 04-26-2023, 10:21 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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What "facilities"? Why a "procedure"? "Access"? Is the abortion pill not widely available in Canada? I read recently, that many European countries consider old-fashioned D&C abortions unsafe, and the so-called "morning-after pill" has been the norm for decades. I got the impression it's only the US among developed nations that was still doing D&C's primarily, and that the reason for the US lagging behind in that regard was due to the Puritan contingent. Spiffy hospitals or clinics are no longer needed to bring about abortions. A doctor's guidance on taking the pill, yes, but no special equipment.
Health Canada approved prescription of the "morning after" pill last fall, although doctors have been prescribing similar doses of birth control pills for years. In March, British Columbia became the first province to allow pharmacists to distribute the emergency contraceptive without a prescription.
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