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Old 12-05-2017, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Canada
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America's current (and continuous) political and social woes are commensurate with its 10x greater population and historical challenges.

I mean, how did Canada so successfully transition from being one of GB's exploitive slave colonies to the socially harmonious utopia it is today. Oh, yeah, it wasn't a slave colony. On the other hand, Canada does have a dismal record on the fate of its indigenous population just like its southern neighbor.

I love Canada and Canadians, but there is a fair bit of willingness to ignore one's own faults while smugly pointing fingers at others whose experiences and challenges can't even be conceived of, and assuming that its own positive attributes are the product of natural moral superiority.

Oddly, every Canadian I have met has been quite reasonable, unlike the few on internet forums that obviously have an axe to grind.
The indigenous population keeps seeking more and more money and apologies for what our ancestors did to them. While it was VERY wrong what happened to them, now the tribes get money and yet they will give our government and taxpayers NO transparency to where that money is going.

You know why? because most of the tribal chiefs and their cronies live high off the hog while the rest of the band goes without proper housing and clean water. They drive around in SUV's and live in the nicest houses. It is sickening and I feel very sorry for the tribal members who do without If the chiefs and cronies would PUT the money into bettering EVERY FAMILY on the reservations instead of being greedy, then all the tribal members would benefit.

I could tell you stories that would curl your hair with what happens up in some of those remote reservations.
Just to name a few:
Barges full of supplies being trashed in the night with the containers being pushed off into the water and floating away useless.
Barges delivering supplies being shot at during the night resulting in broken windows on the wheel houses that took days to replace before they could leave the dock.
New houses taken up to the reserves and being trashed during the night before ANYONE can move into them. The cronies were to get them, not the ones who NEEDED them, so they were the ones who trashed them in anger. I don't blame them, but this is an example of a HUGE waste of money.
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Old 12-05-2017, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Come on BruSan, you know the rules. We Canadians must just sit and be quiet when others inform the world of our apparent shortcomings. We, unlike other peoples, are not allowed to be proud of what our country has achieved. It's our fault that other countries have different histories ( and have yet to overcome them ) than we do. The fact that we are addressing past wrongs, and the amount of news about that in our media is of no consequence.

So get it right. Canada only exists because of the protection of others. Canada is boring. Canada doesn't have it's own culture. Everything is second or third rate. Our cities are lacklustre. Toronto is bland. Vancouver soulless, and Montreal ( that French seems to wow people ) is a possible saving grace.

As for other cities and places in the country, they simply don't count, because most haven't heard of them. Remember, we are trapped here in Canada, so said the American who moved to Mexico, so it must be true.
If I may make a counterpoint here...


For every troll that says Canada is bland, boring, etc. there are probably 10 times as many messages on City-Data where Americans bemoan the fact that their country isn't more like Canada, and wish it was.


So at some point you gotta take the good with the bad. There is no shortage of flattery and admiration about Canada from the U.S. these days (actually since the W Bush era really).


You'd have to be blind not to see that.
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Old 12-05-2017, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Vancouver
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If I may make a counterpoint here...


For every troll that says Canada is bland, boring, etc. there are probably 10 times as many messages on City-Data where Americans bemoan the fact that their country isn't more like Canada, and wish it was.


So at some point you gotta take the good with the bad. There is no shortage of flattery and admiration about Canada from the U.S. these days (actually since the W Bush era really).


You'd have to be blind not to see that.
...Dear Acajack. You have to be blind not to see that my post wasn't serious. but was directed at a few here who fit the bill.

facetious
ADJECTIVE

Treating serious issues with deliberately inappropriate humour; flippant.
‘a facetious remark’
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Origin
Late 16th century (in the general sense ‘witty, amusing’): from French facétieux, from facétie, from Latin facetia ‘jest’, from facetus ‘witty’.
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Old 12-05-2017, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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...Dear Acajack. You have to be blind not to see that my post wasn't serious. but was directed at a few here who fit the bill.

facetious
ADJECTIVE

Treating serious issues with deliberately inappropriate humour; flippant.
‘a facetious remark’
More example sentencesSynonyms
Origin
Late 16th century (in the general sense ‘witty, amusing’): from French facétieux, from facétie, from Latin facetia ‘jest’, from facetus ‘witty’.
I know it was, but these trolls do seem to bother some Canadians quite a bit.
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Old 12-05-2017, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Vancouver
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I know it was, but these trolls do seem to bother some Canadians quite a bit.
It's all fun and games, until someone loses their healthcare coverage
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Old 12-05-2017, 11:36 AM
 
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Come on BruSan, you know the rules. We Canadians must just sit and be quiet when others inform the world of our apparent shortcomings. We, unlike other peoples, are not allowed to be proud of what our country has achieved. It's our fault that other countries have different histories ( and have yet to overcome them ) than we do. The fact that we are addressing past wrongs, and the amount of news about that in our media is of no consequence.

So get it right. Canada only exists because of the protection of others. Canada is boring. Canada doesn't have it's own culture. Everything is second or third rate. Our cities are lacklustre. Toronto is bland. Vancouver soulless, and Montreal ( that French seems to wow people ) is a possible saving grace.

As for other cities and places in the country, they simply don't count, because most haven't heard of them. Remember, we are trapped here in Canada, so said the American who moved to Mexico, so it must be true.
I largely agree with the underlined part despite your sarcasm. Montreal is a possible saving grace not because it is French speaking, but because the city actually has characters and is beautiful (architecturally), with lively and non-suburban like neighborhoods outside downtown. I can't say the same about Toronto and Vancouver.

Canada doesn't exists because the protection of other, however, it is true that it doesn't have the military power to protect itself IF another country does invade. It is a choice and a luxury that Canada happens to have, but it is nevertheless true.

Of course Canada should be proud of what it has achieved. I'd say it is one of the most successful countries in the world - however that in itself does not go against the conclusion that it is somewhat boring culturally (it has great nature of course). Few people will go to Canada and say "let's appreciate some of the rich, great and fascinating culture".

You don't need to be so bitter. You can feel proud of Canada's certain achievements while acknowledge its shortcomings. Compared with older continents, Canada is very young and lacks the depth and richness of culture and history, and a distinctive identity. And it consumes way too much American pop culture without even realizing it. It is all true and there is no point in denying that.

Yes, there are millions of Americans who keep coming to Canada. Millions of Americans keep going to Las Vegas or the Bahamas too. Shouldn't surprise anyone. It is close and it is cheap.

Lots of Americans wish the US were more like Canada -- quite true, but it is because they want Canada's stability, better healthcare system or less violence, not because they think Canada is more interesting (less boring) than the US. Let's not mix the two things here. Singapore or Zurich are wealthy and enviable cities, doesn't mean they are not boring.
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Old 12-05-2017, 12:08 PM
 
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I largely agree with the underlined part despite your sarcasm. Montreal is a possible saving grace not because it is French speaking, but because the city actually has characters and is beautiful (architecturally), with lively and non-suburban like neighborhoods outside downtown. I can't say the same about Toronto and Vancouver.

Canada doesn't exists because the protection of other, however, it is true that it doesn't have the military power to protect itself IF another country does invade. It is a choice and a luxury that Canada happens to have, but it is nevertheless true.

Of course Canada should be proud of what it has achieved. I'd say it is one of the most successful countries in the world - however that in itself does not go against the conclusion that it is somewhat boring culturally (it has great nature of course). Few people will go to Canada and say "let's appreciate some of the rich, great and fascinating culture".

You don't need to be so bitter. You can feel proud of Canada's certain achievements while acknowledge its shortcomings. Compared with older continents, Canada is very young and lacks the depth and richness of culture and history, and a distinctive identity. And it consumes way too much American pop culture without even realizing it. It is all true and there is no point in denying that.

Yes, there are millions of Americans who keep coming to Canada. Millions of Americans keep going to Las Vegas or the Bahamas too. Shouldn't surprise anyone. It is close and it is cheap.

Lots of Americans wish the US were more like Canada -- quite true, but it is because they want Canada's stability, better healthcare system or less violence, not because they think Canada is more interesting (less boring) than the US. Let's not mix the two things here. Singapore or Zurich are wealthy and enviable cities, doesn't mean they are not boring.

It is true that you should have the intellectual honesty to acknowledge your country shortcomings, there is nothing wrong and every country has them.
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Old 12-05-2017, 06:40 PM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Really? I thought Canada was independent.
Canada is nominally a federal democracy under the British Crown. The queen has a representative known as the Governor General who resides in Ottawa and is selected by the Queen herself. Almost all of Canada's currency has Queen Elizabeth on one side and here and there you'll find other references to the Crown such as Royal Botanical Gardens, Royal Ontario Museum, Royal Canadian Mounties, etc. So in a sense, Canada functions as an independent country in that London, England doesn't dictate its governance and has its own legal currency, diplomatic relations, etc. but unlike the U.S., is not fully independent of Great Britain.
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Old 12-05-2017, 06:54 PM
 
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Canada is nominally a federal democracy under the British Crown. The queen has a representative known as the Governor General who resides in Ottawa and is selected by the Queen herself. Almost all of Canada's currency has Queen Elizabeth on one side and here and there you'll find other references to the Crown such as Royal Botanical Gardens, Royal Ontario Museum, Royal Canadian Mounties, etc. So in a sense, Canada functions as an independent country in that London, England doesn't dictate its governance and has its own legal currency, diplomatic relations, etc. but unlike the U.S., is not fully independent of Great Britain.
No, Canada is fully independent of the UK. The monarchy is only symbolic in this day and age.
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Old 12-05-2017, 07:07 PM
 
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Come on BruSan, you know the rules. We Canadians must just sit and be quiet when others inform the world of our apparent shortcomings. We, unlike other peoples, are not allowed to be proud of what our country has achieved. It's our fault that other countries have different histories ( and have yet to overcome them ) than we do. The fact that we are addressing past wrongs, and the amount of news about that in our media is of no consequence.

So get it right. Canada only exists because of the protection of others. Canada is boring. Canada doesn't have it's own culture. Everything is second or third rate. Our cities are lacklustre. Toronto is bland. Vancouver soulless, and Montreal ( that French seems to wow people ) is a possible saving grace.

As for other cities and places in the country, they simply don't count, because most haven't heard of them. Remember, we are trapped here in Canada, so said the American who moved to Mexico, so it must be true.
And for heaven's sake don't forget the difficulties in hooking up in Toronto!
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