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Oh so through all this you finally got to the meat of what you are trying to say in the last sentence and that is compared to any other 'semi-automatic' rifle as opposed to just a pump action shotgun. Anyway, my response about AR-15 and any other equivalent semi automatic rifle - BANNED from civilian use. No need for em.
Pump and lever action can allow you to fire almost as quickly as a semi-automatic....bolt action are noticeably slower (but still can be fired fairly quickly if you train properly)
Military firearms do not use special cartridges (actually they use simple Full Metal Jacket bullets that are actually less lethal than soft point or hollow point ones that can be found in the civilian market)
You can put a civilian box of 9mm ammo in your army issued submachine gun.
Switzerland is among the top 20 countries for firearm ownership...meaning a lot of people with firearm licenses able to buy ammunition...
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I think you missed the point. I was never talking about special ammunition but convenience. Once the Swiss stopped issuing ammunition and people were required to buy their army guns, gun deaths dropped. That has nothing to do with whether the Swiss can buy regular ammo but what it points to is that convenience plays a role. It shows that the Swiss are not choosing to buy back their guns at the same rate and that the death rates dropped because of the lack of convenience when a suicidal or murderous thought hit a person. I can't think what else it would show. In other words it shows that making gun ownership easy (or mandatory), does in fact cause gun deaths to rise.
When is going to dawn on you that the tool that a crazy person use is not the issue?? Pressure cooker bombs, mowing down people with a vehicle, and so on.....you cannot stop evil acts by banning things...it is a fool's errand...you should go to the root cause of these events....
You're right. Down with all laws! They don't help anyway!
In other words it shows that making gun ownership easy (or mandatory), does in fact cause gun deaths to rise.
It is surprising to you that more guns there are in a country inevitably have more gun deaths will occur?? It is statistically inevitable...but...are we worried about gun deaths only?? For example, Japan are a higher suicide rate than the US but more people will kill themselves with guns in the US....are the suicide deaths in Japan less deserving our attention??
You're right. Down with all laws! They don't help anyway!
Nobody ever said that......laws are needed but simply you cannot have a 100% violence free society...I can think of many thing we should /could ban to be "safe".....
It is surprising to you that more guns there are in a country inevitably have more gun deaths will occur?? It is statistically inevitable...but...are we worried about gun deaths only?? For example, Japan are a higher suicide rate than the US but more people will kill themselves with guns in the US....are the suicide deaths in Japan less deserving our attention??
In this thread we're more worried about gun deaths.
So you agree then that the number of guns has a direct impact on the numbers of deaths by guns? I was beginning to worry that you were one of those bumper sticker people "it's better to be judged by twelve than carried by six."
Nobody ever said that......laws are needed but simply you cannot have a 100% violence free society...I can think of many thing we should /could ban to be "safe".....
And most of them we ban or impose a lot of regulations on.
When is going to dawn on you that the tool that a crazy person use is not the issue?? Pressure cooker bombs, mowing down people with a vehicle, and so on.....you cannot stop evil acts by banning things...it is a fool's errand...you should go to the root cause of these events....
well - why don't you trial a system that is similar to others whereby the availability of guns is more restricted and gun laws more strict and robust. Try it and objectively compare the data before and after. One of us will be right the other wrong. If you are right and mass shootings don't decline than it'll dawn on me then. Until then, all I see is a lot of people being killed by guns - particularly by a particular type. You can argue that it is not the tool, easy access to that too and the rather loose gun laws have nothing to do with the disproportionate number of mass shooting deaths in the U.S and all it sounds like to me is hollow rhetoric not grounded by facts.
More hollow sentiment.. You can't legislate evil... Assault rifles are no worse than handguns or pump action shotguns. The NRA has nothing to do with the gun culture in the U.S. etc etc
In this thread we're more worried about gun deaths.
So you agree then that the number of guns has a direct impact on the numbers of deaths by guns? I was beginning to worry that you were one of those bumper sticker people "it's better to be judged by twelve than carried by six."
Again, by law of statistics alone, is obvious that the US, for example, will have more gun deaths than let's say Japan.
From this fact to banning guns there is an ocean in the middle....and all deaths should be important not only the ones by guns....to make a theoretical example, let's say we have Country A and Country B with the same murder rate with 70% of homicides in Country A committed by firearms and only 30% in Country B...to me it does not change that much, we should try to remove the root cause of crime not the tools used.
People thinking that banning guns will turn the US into a Scandinavian country live in a fantasy world.
Closer to home, the US has about 3 times the murder rate of Canada (and Canada starts with a low rate).....I'm ready to bet anything you want that even if gun laws in the US would match Canada there would still be a significant difference in homicide rate between the two countries....this is not to say that some gun laws in the US do not need to change, mandatory universal background check for private sales being the first step.
We should do our best to prevent that guns do not end up int he hands of people that should not have them...that's it.
I have realize no mass shooting in Canada but some in USA. Why?
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