Why Canada not have more Hispanic Immigrants? (violent crime, construction)

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by UrbanLuis

Yes, I have to agree. Toronto might have more in numbers but the Latin Ameican presence in MTL is much more palpable.

I would add that there can be said to be a minor fetish for things Latin American among francophone Canadians.


This takes many forms and is often but not solely related to the popularity of winter holidays down south in various Latin American locales.


Especially among the white collar class, there is a surprising chunk of the population here that speaks Spanish to varying degrees - principally due to it being fairly low-hanging fruit for people who already know French.


And our commercial radio stations also play popular music in Spanish from time to time, outside of the notable "fad" periods à la Macarena and Despacito...

[QuebecOpec]

Originally Posted by Acajack

In its case, it might just be a question of time, though.

If migrants were given the choice where to locate in Québec, they most often chose the metropolitan area of Montréal and ditched Québec City. Lol, I would do the same. (In my case, not because Québec City is bad, I love Québec City, simply because Montréal is the most phantastic)
I think this is going to continue in future.

I think people in Québec City have no problems with the current situation, as long as their population is naturally increasing, through intra-provincial gains, so no greater action is taken to increase immigration.
"Outside Montréal, there were intra-provincial migration gains (IPM) in Quebec City, Sherbrooke and Trois-Rivières and the Quebec portion of Ottawa-Gatineau. These gains generally dwarfed inter-provincial losses." https://www.huffingtonpost.com/wende...b_8247352.html
These are basically the largest cities in Québec who get the gains. I think in a more distant future IPM won't be enough for a population increase in Sherbrooke and Trois-Rivières anymore. However, Q.C., as the second largest city and basically the largest city of Canada east of Montréal, will attract migrants form rural Québec for the longest time. Also Québec City draws some francophone migrants from Nouveau Brunswick. So Québec City does not really need migration from outside of Canada; it is "just" rural Québec and TR and SB that will decrease. Also some White francophones of Montréal are tired of living there because they city feels alienating for them and leave for Q.C.; thus decreasing Montréal's white francohpnes share and keeping Q.C. share stable. Also they do not really have an alternative. Apart from Montréal, Q.C. and Gatineau are the only other big cities (TR and SB are "only a bit big") and I think, although I don't know that much about Gatineau, that migrants prefer Gatineau over Q.C. (Can you confirm that or not?). [Moreover, Q.C. can rely on migrants from France. French people do not really have many alternatives outside of France... le monde francophone is small. Well, the OECD part of the francophone world is small. Technically, they will sure count as migrants]

Large migrant populations are going to attract other migrant populations; so large migrants communities draw more migrants of the same group.
We should not forget that migrants feel very self-entitled and have high expectations, they are not happy with "Any Canadian city will be fine for me", they will hear stories, compare and that they indirectly demand and expect a host migrant community to welcome them. So, I think for the near future, the Rest of Canada is becoming less Canadian, while Q.C. will only slightly change.
Of course, I'm only talking about the near future.
Talking about a longer future, you might be right, though even if Q.C. only will be 70% historically Canadian, if the ROC falls down to 30%... Q.C. will still be relatively unique.

To UrbanLouis: please acknowledge the numbers in my post on page 10 (it's post #92), that show that Montréal's Latin American community of Latin American ethnic origin is 43% larger than the one of Toronto in total numbers and constitutes for 5,7% of its population.
No more maybe or might. It is. That's also why it is more palpable.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by QuebecOpec

Also they do not really have an alternative. Apart from Montréal, Q.C. and Gatineau are the only other big cities (TR and SB are "only a bit big") and I think, although I don't know that much about Gatineau, that migrants prefer Gatineau over Q.C. (Can you confirm that or not?).

The two cities in Quebec which have the greatest % of immigrants after Montreal are Gatineau and Sherbrooke.


In 2011 Gatineau was at 10% and Sherbrooke was 6%. Quebec City was just below 5%.


Saguenay was 1% and Trois-Rivières was 2 or 3%.


We can assume that in the 7 years since then all of these numbers have increased a bit. Gatineau I believe is around 12% now and Sherbrooke is probably around 8%, with Quebec City likely around 6%.

[Acajack]

Gatineau is 13% "visible minorities", Sherbrooke is 6% and Quebec City is 5%. Data is from 2016.

[QuebecOpec]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Gatineau is 13% "visible minorities", Sherbrooke is 6% and Quebec City is 5%. Data is from 2016.

Thanks, interesting. So, Gatineau is the most popular migrant destination after Montréal. I expected that.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by QuebecOpec

Thanks, interesting. So, Gatineau is the most popular migrant destination after Montréal. I expected that.

Well, I believe Quebec City has comparable *total* numbers to ours, but they have three times our population so their percentages are much lower.

[QuebecOpec]

In this post I will use data for 2016, to show that Montréal's Latin American population continues to be the largest in Canada. My previous post (#92) explained what Latin America actually is and used data for 2011. This post will be very detailed for the highest quality of scientific precision.

Toronto, metro 2016, ethnic origin
Caribbean origins
346,530
Antiguan
2,43
Bahamian
1,255 must be subtracted, not Latin American
Barbadian
18,395 must be subtracted, not Latin American
Bermudan
1,000
Carib
1,795
Cuban
9,290
Dominican
6,365
Grenadian
12,380
Guadeloupean
40
Haitian
5,150
Jamaican
200,330 must be subtracted, not Latin American
Kittitian/Nevisian
1,855
Martinican
160
Montserratan
440
Puerto Rican
750
St. Lucian
5,405
Trinidadian/Tobagonian
44,300 must be subtracted, not Latin American
Vincentian/Grenadinian
10,290
West Indian, n.o.s.Census data footnote 114
46,300 must be subtracted, not Latin American
Caribbean origins, n.i.e.Census data footnote 115
13,305
Latin, Central and South American origins
213,985
Aboriginal from Central/South America (except Arawak and Maya)
7,115 must be subtracted, not Latin American
Arawak
710
Argentinian
8,415
Belizean
355
Bolivian
1,325
Brazilian
13,065
Chilean
10,435
Colombian
24,875
Costa Rican
1,770
Ecuadorian
17,930
Guatemalan
5,915
Guyanese
57,985 must be subtracted, not Latin American
Hispanic
3,655
Honduran
1,750
Maya
1,135
Mexican
19,785
Nicaraguan
3,655
Panamanian
1,805
Paraguayan
305
Peruvian
10,665
Salvadorean
15,130
Uruguayan
3,450
Venezuelan
8,260
Latin, Central and South American origins, n.i.e.Census data footnote 116
9,255


Toronto's total Latin American population: 346 530 + 213 985 – 375 680 = 184 835.


Montréal, metro 2016, ethnic origin

Caribbean origins


184,035
Antiguan
360
Bahamian
370 must be subtracted, not Latin American
Barbadian
5,220 must be subtracted, not Latin American
Bermudan
95
Carib
375
Cuban
7,840
Dominican
10,040
Grenadian
1,880
Guadeloupean
790
Haitian
132,255
Jamaican
12,750 must be subtracted, not Latin American
Kittitian/Nevisian
340
Martinican
1,460
Montserratan
240
Puerto Rican
435
St. Lucian
790
Trinidadian/Tobagonian
6,185 must be subtracted, not Latin American
Vincentian/Grenadinian
3,965
West Indian, n.o.s.Census data footnote 114
5,325 must be subtrated, not Latin American
Caribbean origins, n.i.e.Census data footnote 115
3,645
Latin, Central and South American origins
135,405
Aboriginal from Central/South America (except Arawak and Maya)
4,805 must be subtracted, not Latin American
Arawak
150
Argentinian
4,240
Belizean
55
Bolivian
1,330
Brazilian
6,440
Chilean
12,030
Colombian
22,910
Costa Rican
920
Ecuadorian
2,375
Guatemalan
8,745
Guyanese
3,380 must be subtracted, not Latin American
Hispanic
875
Honduran
3,895
Maya
1,330
Mexican
21,130
Nicaraguan
2,200
Panamanian
1,330
Paraguayan
265
Peruvian
17,430
Salvadorean
17,300
Uruguayan
1,495
Venezuelan
6,670
Latin, Central and South American origins, n.i.e.Census data footnote 116
4,960


Montreal's total Latin American population: 184 035 + 135 405 – 38035 = 281 405.



Montréal's Latin American population is 281405 and the largest in Canada, it is bigger by almost 100 000 compared to Toronto's LA population of only 184 385. (Data for 2016)


Dear fusion et les autres, please also acknowledge my post #92. A comparison shows that Montréal's Latin American population has rapidly risen between 2011 and 2016, much more than Toronto, and that Montréal remains the leader. Montréal, undoubtedly, has the highest total number of people of Latin American origin.


Sources:

Census Profile, 2016 Census - Toronto [Census metropolitan area], Ontario and Ontario [Province]

https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-r...origin&TABID=1

[Acajack]

Y tu mamà también amigo...

[fusion2]

Originally Posted by QuebecOpec

In this post I will use data for 2016, to show that Montréal's Latin American population continues to be the largest in Canada. My previous post (#92) explained what Latin America actually is and used data for 2011. This post will be very detailed for the highest quality of scientific precision.

Toronto, metro 2016, ethnic origin
Caribbean origins
346,530
Antiguan
2,43
Bahamian
1,255 must be subtracted, not Latin American
Barbadian
18,395 must be subtracted, not Latin American
Bermudan
1,000
Carib
1,795
Cuban
9,290
Dominican
6,365
Grenadian
12,380
Guadeloupean
40
Haitian
5,150
Jamaican
200,330 must be subtracted, not Latin American
Kittitian/Nevisian
1,855
Martinican
160
Montserratan
440
Puerto Rican
750
St. Lucian
5,405
Trinidadian/Tobagonian
44,300 must be subtracted, not Latin American
Vincentian/Grenadinian
10,290
West Indian, n.o.s.Census data footnote 114
46,300 must be subtracted, not Latin American
Caribbean origins, n.i.e.Census data footnote 115
13,305
Latin, Central and South American origins
213,985
Aboriginal from Central/South America (except Arawak and Maya)
7,115 must be subtracted, not Latin American
Arawak
710
Argentinian
8,415
Belizean
355
Bolivian
1,325
Brazilian
13,065
Chilean
10,435
Colombian
24,875
Costa Rican
1,770
Ecuadorian
17,930
Guatemalan
5,915
Guyanese
57,985 must be subtracted, not Latin American
Hispanic
3,655
Honduran
1,750
Maya
1,135
Mexican
19,785
Nicaraguan
3,655
Panamanian
1,805
Paraguayan
305
Peruvian
10,665
Salvadorean
15,130
Uruguayan
3,450
Venezuelan
8,260
Latin, Central and South American origins, n.i.e.Census data footnote 116
9,255


Toronto's total Latin American population: 346 530 + 213 985 – 375 680 = 184 835.


Montréal, metro 2016, ethnic origin

Caribbean origins


184,035
Antiguan
360
Bahamian
370 must be subtracted, not Latin American
Barbadian
5,220 must be subtracted, not Latin American
Bermudan
95
Carib
375
Cuban
7,840
Dominican
10,040
Grenadian
1,880
Guadeloupean
790
Haitian
132,255
Jamaican
12,750 must be subtracted, not Latin American
Kittitian/Nevisian
340
Martinican
1,460
Montserratan
240
Puerto Rican
435
St. Lucian
790
Trinidadian/Tobagonian
6,185 must be subtracted, not Latin American
Vincentian/Grenadinian
3,965
West Indian, n.o.s.Census data footnote 114
5,325 must be subtrated, not Latin American
Caribbean origins, n.i.e.Census data footnote 115
3,645
Latin, Central and South American origins
135,405
Aboriginal from Central/South America (except Arawak and Maya)
4,805 must be subtracted, not Latin American
Arawak
150
Argentinian
4,240
Belizean
55
Bolivian
1,330
Brazilian
6,440
Chilean
12,030
Colombian
22,910
Costa Rican
920
Ecuadorian
2,375
Guatemalan
8,745
Guyanese
3,380 must be subtracted, not Latin American
Hispanic
875
Honduran
3,895
Maya
1,330
Mexican
21,130
Nicaraguan
2,200
Panamanian
1,330
Paraguayan
265
Peruvian
17,430
Salvadorean
17,300
Uruguayan
1,495
Venezuelan
6,670
Latin, Central and South American origins, n.i.e.Census data footnote 116
4,960


Montreal's total Latin American population: 184 035 + 135 405 – 38035 = 281 405.



Montréal's Latin American population is 281405 and the largest in Canada, it is bigger by almost 100 000 compared to Toronto's LA population of only 184 385. (Data for 2016)


Dear fusion et les autres, please also acknowledge my post #92. A comparison shows that Montréal's Latin American population has rapidly risen between 2011 and 2016, much more than Toronto, and that Montréal remains the leader. Montréal, undoubtedly, has the highest total number of people of Latin American origin.


Sources:

Census Profile, 2016 Census - Toronto [Census metropolitan area], Ontario and Ontario [Province]

https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-r...origin&TABID=1

Fair enough - including Haiti there are more people in Greater Montreal of Latin American origin.

[fusion2]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Relative to population though, these groups make up very similar shares of the population in Toronto and Montreal (city proper and CMA in both cases).


So if the situation were the same, you'd think that the share of murder victims and perpetrators coming from that group would be similar in both cities.


But it's not.


In Toronto the lion's share of murder victims tends to be from that demographic, year in and year out. In Montreal there are some victims from that group but they're usually a relatively small minority of them. What murder victims there are in Montreal are generally much more spread out across the various demographics in the population than in Toronto.


Whether that's a good or bad thing can be debated, I guess.

AJ what i'm saying is you can't always use representative percentages. The larger that community in absolute numbers the different the dynamics will be. You also have to look at which countries those groups come from. Some have a higher inclination to be involved in criminal activity linked with the motherland. In any event - what stats from Toronto concern you? I've already posted something that leads us to believe Toronto's violent crime rates on a per cap level are among the lowest in Canada so what are we getting at here? Ok Montreal's violent crime rate is lower - really so what AJ.. Like seriously are we going to stop immigration from Jamaica because that group has a higher propensity to be involved in violent crimes than other groups? Even though the level of crime Jamaicans engage in is still very small in their overall population? Again I work with these people all the time - I have friends among these people. I love em!