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Old 06-16-2018, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
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My guess is that most Canadians would probably pick a person most Americans would never consider. One exception is Obama, he was very popular here as he was in the rest of the western countries, of course it's easy to admire from afar.
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Old 06-16-2018, 12:45 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Another inaccurate assumption there Mouldy. I'd take another Reagan any day of the week over the idiot currently occupying the throne.

It matters far less the "party" line they profess to adhere to, over their actual beliefs and intellect.
Hmm, interesting take. Turns out that relations between Canada and the US have been marked nearly as much by strain as by agreement.

https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia....can-relations/
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Old 06-16-2018, 12:52 PM
 
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You don't care about religion? Would you vote for a Wahhabist Islamist, if on all other dimensions this candidate would be a good president?

Why not? If as you say on all other dimensions he/she is a good president then it matters not what religion they practice Hoodoo voodoo for all it would matter IF they're a good President.

What does it matter if the president believes in sacrificing a chicken on the roof of the portico while naked at midnight IF his policies and actions bring peace stability and prosperity to 350 million people?

All the so-called religious ticket scalpers so far have had feet of clay going back to Jefferson fathering a whole family of kids through bedding one of his slaves...Gimme a break with this religious nonsense.

It's all a load of codswallop using religion as a requirement. Jimmy Carter was probably the last one that stuck to even a few of his religious convictions while sitting in the big chair and his presidency was one of lacklustre performance to say the least.
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Old 06-16-2018, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Canada
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You don't care about religion? Would you vote for a Wahhabist Islamist, if on all other dimensions this candidate would be a good president?

Politics and religious beliefs should not mix, neither for the person running for election nor for the people who will be doing the voting. A good politician and leader will keep their religion (or irreligion) private to theirself and must prove their mores and mettle in all ways other than religion, for the greater good of all. They must not allow their personal religious beliefs and practices to interfere with or influence their job since their job involves being of good service and being held responsible to all citizens of all religions and spiritual belief systems, including those who have no religious or spiritual belief systems. Religion is irrelevant.


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Old 06-16-2018, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Avignon, France
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I do.
Who cares?
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Old 06-16-2018, 01:03 PM
 
Location: DC metropolitan area
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Why not? If as you say on all other dimensions he/she is a good president then it matters not what religion they practice Hoodoo voodoo for all it would matter IF they're a good President.

What does it matter if the president believes in sacrificing a chicken on the roof of the portico while naked at midnight IF his policies and actions bring peace stability and prosperity to 350 million people?

All the so-called religious ticket scalpers so far have had feet of clay going back to Jefferson fathering a whole family of kids through bedding one of his slaves...Gimme a break with this religious nonsense.

It's all a load of codswallop using religion as a requirement. Jimmy Carter was probably the last one that stuck to even a few of his religious convictions while sitting in the big chair and his presidency was one of lacklustre performance to say the least.
Religion does matter. Obama used to attend a church where his pastor, Rev Jeremiah Wright, preached "God Damn America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11". That brand of preaching included a version of racial justice predicated that good 'ole whitey was still keeping the black man down. Under Obama's reign, as a result, you had mobs of urban blacks and their white SJW allies blocking hard-working Americans getting to and from work, chanting Black Lives Matter, and providing cover for criminals shooting at and killing cops. Under his righteous reign, Baltimore mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake felt it was a good, righteous thing for her to let youth riot, loot and destroy Baltimore. Under his righteous reign, the Attorney General in Baltimore, Marylin Mosby thought it righteous to go after the 6 police officers involved in Freddie Gray's arrest with a religious fervor not matched in many pulpits. (The 6 were eventually exonerated -- insufficient evidence.) Under his righteous reign, school administrators could no longer discipline unruly or even criminal black children in public schools. Obama's Department of Education issued righteous edicts to prevent teachers and school administrators from *unfairly* singling them out and picking on them, which meant, in practice, that the worst behaving students came to run the schools. The religious tenet behind the Dept. of Ed. edict was that all children of all backgrounds misbehave equally (anyone who has been to an all-black inner-city school knows better).

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Old 06-16-2018, 01:06 PM
 
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Hmm, interesting take. Turns out that relations between Canada and the US have been marked nearly as much by strain as by agreement.

https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia....can-relations/
Yep; that's true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Plan_Red

This little factoid was used as an example to caution my grade eight class about our southern neighbour's imperialistic tendencies. Still remember going home and discussing this with my father who was not a staunch royalist but nevertheless fought four years overseas in WWII "under the Jack".
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Old 06-16-2018, 01:26 PM
 
Location: DC metropolitan area
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Politics and religious beliefs should not mix, neither for the person running for election nor for the people who will be doing the voting. A good politician and leader will keep their religion (or irreligion) private to theirself and must prove their mores and mettle in all ways other than religion, for the greater good of all. They must not allow their personal religious beliefs and practices to interfere with or influence their job since their job involves being of good service and being held responsible to all citizens of all religions and spiritual belief systems, including those who have no religious or spiritual belief systems. Religion is irrelevant.


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But they do mix. All the time. Every day. Say, if your religion is feminism, will that not also inform your decisions?
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Old 06-16-2018, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Religion does matter. Obama used to attend a church where his pastor, Rev Jeremiah Wright, preached "God Damn America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11". That brand of preaching included a version of racial justice predicated that good 'ole whitey was still keeping the black man down. Under Obama's reign, as a result, you had mobs of urban blacks and their white SJW allies blocking hard-working Americans getting to and from work, chanting Black Lives Matter, and providing cover for criminals shooting at and killing cops. Under his righteous reign, Baltimore mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake felt it was a good, righteous thing for her to let youth in her city riot, loot and destroy Baltimore. Under his reign, the Attorney General in Baltimore, Marylin Mosby thought it righteous to go after the 6 police officers involved in Freddie Gray's arrest with a religious fervor not matched in many pulpits. (The 6 were eventually exonerated -- insufficient evidence.) Under his righteous reign, school administrators could no longer discipline unruly or even criminal black children in public schools. Obama's Department of Education issued righteous edicts to prevent teachers and school administrators from *unfairly* singling them out and picking on them, which meant, in practices, that the worst behaving students came to run the schools. The religious tenet behind the Dept. of Ed. edict was that all children of all backgrounds misbehave equally (anyone who has been to an all-black inner-city school knows better).
Not in Canada.

Canadians get very uncomfortable when politicians invoke god etc into their roles. Harper got a lot of flack, and rightfully so, for saying " God Bless Canada ".

Jean Chretian, love him or hate him, was apparently a very devout Catholic. No one knew how devout while he was in office. It never came up as far as I know, and he never brought it up while PM. In fact there is a fairly famous story about how he kept his religious beliefs separate from his office.

When equal marriage was enacted in Canada federally, he apparently said that his bishop advised against it. His answer apparently to the bishop was " I'm PM for all of Canada, not just Catholic Canada" or words to that effect.

That is how it should be, and that is how we like it.
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Old 06-16-2018, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Taipei
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botticelli is gone but I think he would want Xi Jin Ping to be America's president AND Canada's PM
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