Does Bishop’s University have a good future? (school, universities)

[QuebecOpec]

Originally Posted by barneyg

t is one of the few universities in Eastern Canada that offers the ‘small liberal arts college’ experience typical of many private colleges in rural New England

yes it has this feeling, it feels so much like a private college that I aleady thought it is private until Acajack was kind enough/dared to have the audacity to correct me.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by barneyg

While Bishop’s isn’t a private school, it is one of the few universities in Eastern Canada that offers the ‘small liberal arts college’ experience typical of many private colleges in rural New England (not sure there are many others in Canada except St. Francis Xavier in NS). So Bishop’s offers that experience at a fraction of the post, but also possibly a fraction of the benefits.

Acadia University in Wolfville, NS is also like this, as is Mount Allison University in Sackville, NB.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Urban Peasant

Bishop's is much cheaper than private universities in the U.S.. It was featured in an article sometime back in the late 90's, early 2000's about Americans saving on higher education costs by encouraging their kids to apply to schools north of the border. Cost is not what keeps more Americans and other Anglos from attending Bishops, rather attribute it to the fact that it is small, located in a predominantly Francophone (and might I add rural/suburban as opposed to major city) region and is not as well known as other schools in Canada. .

Tuition at Bishop's is about the same as at McGill due to provincial regulation of fees, so if you can go to McGill in Montreal for the same price (assuming you can get accepted), why go to Bishop's in Lennoxville?

[barneyg]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Tuition at Bishop's is about the same as at McGill due to provincial regulation of fees, so if you can go to McGill in Montreal for the same price (assuming you can get accepted), why go to Bishop's in Lennoxville?

Pretty sure the bolded is the answer. I would imagine the vast majority of those who have the choice will pick McGill over Bishop's... but many don't have that choice and end up at Bishop's. This isn't an indictment of their 'quality' as a person but some people just don't have the grades or the pedigree to get into McGill.

[QuebecOpec]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Tuition at Bishop's is about the same as at McGill due to provincial regulation of fees, so if you can go to McGill in Montreal for the same price (assuming you can get accepted), why go to Bishop's in Lennoxville?

Exactly. It's also important to point out, that although Lennoxville is now part of Sherbrooke, it is a de facto outlying-district of Sherbrooke, 5km from the city-centre.
Sherbrooke with all its districts together has only 160,000 inhabitants and Lennoxville only 5000.
That is a big contrast compared to McGill which is very central in Montréal.

If you give youth the choice between clubbing and camping, 90% will choose clubbing.
If you give youth the choice between redlight districts and green nature, 90% will choose redlight.

Originally Posted by barneyg

Pretty sure the bolded is the answer. I would imagine the vast majority of those who have the choice will pick McGill over Bishop's... but many don't have that choice and end up at Bishop's. This isn't an indictment of their 'quality' as a person but some people just don't have the grades or the pedigree to get into McGill.

Nah! If they get rejected at McGill, that doesn't automatically mean they will go to Bishop's.
There's also Concordia University in Montréal to choose from, as a second alternative.
And if they don't make it there, they can choose from the bilingual programs of HEC.


"Patry’s comments follow a report published Wednesday in the Journal de Montréal that quoted HEC faculty members, some by name, others anonymously, expressing their concerns that English language instruction and usage was growing at the school. Teachers quoted in the report point to the creation four years ago of a bilingual degree in business administration as having opened the door to increasing English usage in what was founded as a French-speaking institution." https://montrealgazette.com/news/loc...not-endangered


So, 1/3 is French and 1/3 is English and the remaining 1/3 can be either French or English (or Spanish), which means that Anglophones can get 66,7% English at HEC and later 100% English in master's.



Also "many" don't really end up at Bishop's, it has only 2000-3000 students (McGill has 30 000 students more). So, it's not even 10% the number that McGill has.



I would even dare to say that almost everyone who goes to Bishop's doesn't go there because he wasn't good enough for McGill (or Concordia and HEC), instead they go there
because they appreciate the small, local ambience.


McGill is very anonymous, while Bishop's is more personal.

It is best to think of Bishop's as filling a niche: It is the English-speaking rural alternative for everyone who dislikes big cities.


It's also important to note, that although McGill has higher reputation, that does not mean that their quality of teaching is superior. It will be equal like at Bishop's and Concordia. Most students will be infatuated-dazzled by McGill's reputation and believe it is better, only to find out that they find themselves in overcrowded halls and never see or get the opportunity to talk to the famous scientists; not all students are like this and their small numbers is fine with Bishop's U.

[Acajack]

Reginald Fessenden, who made the first radio transmission of the human voice, went to Bishop's.


As did Michael Ondaatje, who wrote The English Patient, a book made into a famous movie.

[Acajack]

After being a mainstay and hotbed for roughly a century, Bishop's actually moved out of the Quebec conference of university football a couple of years ago, and joined the small(er) Atlantic schools in their conference instead.


The reason being is that weren't able to compete with the new(ish) programs in some of the larger francophone universities like Laval and Montréal (and to a lesser degree Sherbrooke) and were basically getting blown out every game.


While for a long time only the anglo universities played football in Quebec, the francophone universities have of late become the powerhouses.


Even the big anglo guys like McGill sometimes have trouble keeping up these days:


McGill vs Montreal (2018-03-11)

[QuebecOpec]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Reginald Fessenden, who made the first radio transmission of the human voice, went to Bishop's.


As did Michael Ondaatje, who wrote The English Patient, a book made into a famous movie.

Anglos are always overpriviledged...

30% of Québec's financial university budget goes to the three English-speaking universities, which is much larger than their population proportionate share.



https://quebecfrancais.org/quel-aven...-avenir-quebec

[QuebecOpec]

Originally Posted by Acajack

The reason being is that weren't able to compete with the new(ish) programs in some of the larger francophone universities like Laval and Montréal (and to a lesser degree Sherbrooke) and were basically getting blown out every game.

While for a long time only the anglo universities played football in Quebec, the francophone universities have of late become the powerhouses.

Even the big anglo guys like McGill sometimes have trouble keeping up these days:

McGill vs Montreal (2018-03-11)

I'm confused. Is this football as in European football/FIFA football or American football?


Instead of playing stupid sports, the kids should be online and write posts on City-Data, this is more educating and informative.

[barneyg]

Originally Posted by QuebecOpec

Anglos are always overpriviledged...

30% of Québec's financial university budget goes to the three English-speaking universities, which is much larger than their population proportionate share.

https://quebecfrancais.org/quel-aven...-avenir-quebec

I admire your efforts to learn about Quebec.

That link is rather disingenuous as that isn’t what the underlying study says. You can only arrive at 30% once you consider research grants (the vast majority of which are merit-based and have nothing to do with language), donations and endowment revenues (which have nothing to do with government decisions). McGill is more prestigious so it attracts the better researchers and has a greater endowment. I hope you are not advocating the federal government to cut funding for medical research at McGill.

this link shows that Anglo universities get around 660 million dollars out of the total 3.1 billion allocated to Quebec universities as operating grants, i.e. barely over 20% and in essence proportional to their share of full-time students.