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Old 08-08-2019, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Aren't you speaking through multiple orifices though? If as you say, QC is leeching off of the Canadian union, than actively trying to separate from it wouldn't be destroying it by your estimation would it? Wouldn't it be more like periodic attempts at saving it? On the other hand, if you are contending they are destroying the country by their periodic pursuits of separation, than it would be logical for a reader to conclude that since they have such power to destroy by separating, that you actually value their inclusion beyond dollars and cents as they are a fundamental piece of the union in order to avert destruction.
"Multiple orifices"

Made me laugh!
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Old 08-08-2019, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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I really need to spell out examples in Canada where there are political and social differences in the various regions of our country? Is that really required UL? When I refer to political, i'm more referring to political values of the people more than structural political differences. Those political and social values in different parts of the country really can drive differences in Provincial and Territorial laws.
It is nonetheless interesting that Luis does not see this, as he has lived in several regions of Canada.
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Old 08-08-2019, 10:09 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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I get your point but keep in mind Quebec and even French Canada has roughly analogous differences within it too. Montreal is not the same as Gaspé is not the same as Abitibi is not the same as Lac St Jean is not the same as Outaouais, etc.

Not to mention Acadians, Franco-Ontarians, etc. To some degree even Cajuns and Franco-Americans of the NE US are kind of peripherally part of the equation.

Lots of differences within this huge human space but certainly within Quebec and even beyond its borders no one would deny a certain commonality unlike some of the talk we sometimes hear from Anglo-Canada where Alberta vs Saskatchewan is sometimes equated with Japan vs the Congo...
I'll keep it in mind and appreciate the information you present, as always but never thought the contrary

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It is nonetheless interesting that Luis does not see this, as he has lived in several regions of Canada.
Yeah I just didn't find the need to go into something that most of us in Canada already know. I think I made my 'keep it in mind' point anyway, which is all I was trying to do really.

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"Multiple orifices"

Made me laugh!
Good - I just thought he was being dissonant.
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Old 08-08-2019, 11:04 PM
 
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Equalization in Canada was brought in in 1957 .
And Quebec has been mooching off the system eversince eh.
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Old 08-09-2019, 06:06 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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And Quebec has been mooching off the system eversince eh.
A lot of Provinces have done the same though Jambo. Seriously - you live in QC do you really think the majority have PB's outlook on things or something more akin to how AJ sees things. I find it hard to believe there is a grand conspiracy in QC to mooch off the country for eternity. It is well established, that there are other provinces who, on a per cap basis mooch off equalization more. They are just quiet. They have no PB's on C/D expressing it and stirring the pot but it doesn't mean that in reality, they aren't getting more per head from Alberta, Ontario and B.C than QC does because they are.

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Old 08-09-2019, 07:28 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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I'll keep it in mind and appreciate the information you present, as always but never thought the contrary



Yeah I just didn't find the need to go into something that most of us in Canada already know. I think I made my 'keep it in mind' point anyway, which is all I was trying to do really.

.

It's still funny to me how when Quebec's level of distinctiveness is discussed (and yes it's true that some Québécois do exaggerate things), how some people will invariably jump in and talk about how going to Vancouver for a Haligonian is akin to being dropped into a small village in central India.


I think it's patently obvious that Quebec is considerably more different from the rest of the country than most of the other provinces are from each other, with the possible exception of Newfoundland.
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Old 08-09-2019, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Canada
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It is nonetheless interesting that Luis does not see this, as he has lived in several regions of Canada.
I didn't say I don't see it. I do see it but in my opinion people tend to exaggerate these things. Sure there are difference from region to region but I find there is also a strong idiosyncrasy that people over look or don't want to see for what ever reason.



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It's still funny to me how when Quebec's level of distinctiveness is discussed (and yes it's true that some Québécois do exaggerate things), how some people will invariably jump in and talk about how going to Vancouver for a Haligonian is akin to being dropped into a small village in central India.
This is more or less what I am trying to get at.
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Old 08-09-2019, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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I didn't say I don't see it. I do see it but in my opinion people tend to exaggerate these things. Sure there are difference from region to region but I find there is also a strong idiosyncrasy that people over look or don't want to see for what ever reason.





This is more or less what I am trying to get at.
There is a "hey, we're unique/special too!" aspect to all of this.


(Though as I often say, Quebec's différence does not entail solely positive traits.)
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Old 08-09-2019, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Québec
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A lot of Provinces have done the same though Jambo. Seriously - you live in QC do you really think the majority have PB's outlook on things or something more akin to how AJ sees things. I find it hard to believe there is a grand conspiracy in QC to mooch off the country for eternity. It is well established, that there are other provinces who, on a per cap basis mooch off equalization more. They are just quiet. They have no PB's on C/D expressing it and stirring the pot but it doesn't mean that in reality, they aren't getting more per head from Alberta, Ontario and B.C than QC does because they are.
Exactly, Quebec isn't mooching off the system compared to other provinces.
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Old 08-09-2019, 12:03 PM
 
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A lot of Provinces have done the same though Jambo. Seriously - you live in QC do you really think the majority have PB's outlook on things or something more akin to how AJ sees things. I find it hard to believe there is a grand conspiracy in QC to mooch off the country for eternity. It is well established, that there are other provinces who, on a per cap basis mooch off equalization more. They are just quiet. They have no PB's on C/D expressing it and stirring the pot but it doesn't mean that in reality, they aren't getting more per head from Alberta, Ontario and B.C than QC does because they are.
Difference is those other provinces are proudly Canadian, Quebec takes the money and villifies Canada and the predominantly Anglo culture that lives there.
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