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Old 10-09-2019, 09:59 PM
 
Location: Québec
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I fully support western Canada in their quest for independence.

It's one step closer to an independent Québec, as far as I'm concerned.

The truth is that Ottawa only cares about Ontario. All other provinces come second or third.

Vive l'Alberta libre!
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Old 10-10-2019, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Montreal
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I fully support western Canada in their quest for independence.

It's one step closer to an independent Québec, as far as I'm concerned.

The truth is that Ottawa only cares about Ontario. All other provinces come second or third.

Vive l'Alberta libre!
Unfortunately for the separatists, western independence is based on economic grievances rather than cultural grievances, and economic independence movements tend to be ephemeral.

Furthermore, in the event of western independence, their only real option would be to join the U.S., as the U.S. government gives states exactly what the western provinces are asking for from the Canadian government, and an independent Alberta/Saskatchewan would be totally landlocked.
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Old 10-10-2019, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Hougary, Texberta
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Unfortunately for the separatists, western independence is based on economic grievances rather than cultural grievances, and economic independence movements tend to be ephemeral.

Furthermore, in the event of western independence, their only real option would be to join the U.S., as the U.S. government gives states exactly what the western provinces are asking for from the Canadian government, and an independent Alberta/Saskatchewan would be totally landlocked.
That's why you take Manitoba too, and Port Nelson will be a 52 week ice-free port soon enough.
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Old 10-10-2019, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Where the mountains touch the sky
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Unfortunately for the separatists, western independence is based on economic grievances rather than cultural grievances, and economic independence movements tend to be ephemeral.

Furthermore, in the event of western independence, their only real option would be to join the U.S., as the U.S. government gives states exactly what the western provinces are asking for from the Canadian government, and an independent Alberta/Saskatchewan would be totally landlocked.
Culturally, Alberta and Saskatchewan are already very close to the Western American states the border.
I am not as familiar with Manitoba, but I doubt it's that far removed from their neighboring provinces to the West.

If the issues that are causing the issues in Alberta and Saskatchewan are anything like what the Western US states face, then representation and economics are serious matters. You may have heard of the Sagebrush Rebellion. While not in the news much these days, it's still very much alive.

The federal US government has no idea what life in the west is like, and while the rules they make apply fairly well to the east coast, they don't fit at all in the west. This disassociation makes for some hard feelings here too.

I for one really like Alberta where I've traveled extensively. I find the people and land to be exceptional, and I've enjoyed my time there. True, I don't usually discuss geopolitical issues, but I have no problem connecting with people over common topics like agriculture and hunting.
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Old 10-22-2019, 06:25 AM
 
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Conservatives won big in the following provinces:
Alberta (69.2%) - 33/34 seats
Saskatchewan (64.3%) - 14/14 seats
Manitoba (45.8%) - 7/14 seats
British Columbia (33.0%) - 17/42 seats
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Old 10-22-2019, 06:29 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Conservatives won big in the following provinces:
Alberta (69.2%) - 33/34 seats
Saskatchewan (64.3%) - 14/14 seats
Manitoba (45.8%) - 7/14 seats
British Columbia (33.0%) - 17/42 seats
There are ridings in the region (like Souris-Moose Mountain in SE SK) where the Conservative candidate got around 90% of the vote.


That's Soviet Union-level support!
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Old 10-22-2019, 07:04 AM
 
Location: Canada
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Once you leave the Winnipeg city limits, its a vast ocean of blue all the way to the rockies.
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Old 10-22-2019, 08:21 AM
 
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The hurdle that nobody in Alberta is addressing is that all of that oil is on crown land, so it's land that's owned by the govt of Canada and not the province. That alone makes separation all but impossible. The other problem is with the idea that the US would somehow help Alberta, a land locked province, transport its oil to other markets; in reality, Trump is set on promoting American oil and America resources, and is not going to help Alberta get their oil to market.

If Alberta wants better representation it really comes down to choosing a conservative leader who can appeal to the rest of Canada and represent the interests of Alberta. Sheer just didn't pull that off very well.
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Old 10-22-2019, 08:28 AM
 
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I fully support western Canada in their quest for independence.

It's one step closer to an independent Québec, as far as I'm concerned.

The truth is that Ottawa only cares about Ontario. All other provinces come second or third.

Vive l'Alberta libre!
The financial situation just doesn't support an independent Quebec; the province takes in way more money from Canada than it pays out. I get the lure of Independence, but the reality would be very painful and likely lead to Quebec going completely bankrupt because they'd suddenly be on the hook for covering a wide range of services and have far less money coming in.
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Old 10-22-2019, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Hougary, Texberta
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The hurdle that nobody in Alberta is addressing is that all of that oil is on crown land, so it's land that's owned by the govt of Canada and not the province. That alone makes separation all but impossible. The other problem is with the idea that the US would somehow help Alberta, a land locked province, transport its oil to other markets; in reality, Trump is set on promoting American oil and America resources, and is not going to help Alberta get their oil to market.

If Alberta wants better representation it really comes down to choosing a conservative leader who can appeal to the rest of Canada and represent the interests of Alberta. Sheer just didn't pull that off very well.
It's the Crown Land of the Province, not the federal government. The feds do not control the leases or the access.
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